[NSRCA-discussion] Falcon Carbon Fiber Electric Props

[Keith Hoard]

What about the Queen of England?  The 4th of July was only a couple days
ago, and she may be feeling a little down too!!

On Friday, July 6, 2012, Ronald Van Putte wrote:

> I apologize to the NSRCA, Tom Simes, and the email list readers for my
> inappropriate actions.
>
> Ron Van Putte
>
> On Jul 6, 2012, at 7:58 AM, Chris Moon wrote:
>
> > My intention when I posted yesterday was to essentially bring light to
> what Jerry is saying.  The list rules say no business advertising. Period.
>  The individual involved runs a hobby store and has for years used the list
> as a means for free advertising.  If it was done in the spirit of "just
> helping out the guys" then wouldn't he offer to donate the profits to the
> NSRCA or some local charity? Are the profits donated to Tom Simes to help
> defray his personal expenses for providing the email list server for the
> NSRCA and us? No, the  profits go in his pocket. Case closed.
> >
> > This is not about me, or Jerry or Maxx Products, it is about consistent
> abuse of the list rules with no consequences. A few years ago, Ihncheol
> innocently made a post about some business items he had on sale and was
> summarily grilled by many for making a business post on the list.  He
> apologized profusely and all is good, no harm, no foul.  In the current
> case, the individual does this free advertising often and with no remorse.
> Think back to props, carbon spinners, ARF kits he has on sale or will bring
> to a contest for you etc etc. Free advertising. He even said he "considered
> the pros and cons before posting" what that tells me is that he again
> knowingly knew his post was against the rules but did it anyways because
> there has never been any pushback.
> >
> > The fact that I received several supporting emails yesterday off list
> thanking me for finally bringing this abuse to light tells me that people
> do notice and that everyone knows this is against the rules.  For the
> record, I am against any retail advertising via the email list as a tie in
> with KFactor advertising.  The email list is for discussion and I support
> the purity of that 100%.
> >
> > I ask the offending party to please apologize to the NSRCA, Tom Simes,
> and the email list readers for his actions.  At that time I will support
> the KFactor and NSRCA by continuing to advertise monthly and write a check
> to NSRCA for $250 as a donation toward the cost of the NATS banquet - this
> is not about money, it about a level playing field and abuse of the list.
> >
> > Chris
> >
> >
> > On 7/6/2012 8:18 AM, Budd Engineering wrote:
> >> F3A Unlimited already advertises in the K-Factor (as do several others,
> myself included).  Giving away free advertising isn't an incentive, it's
> retail welfare.  All we want is a level playing field to market our
> products on, giving away to someone else what I and others already pay for
> doesn't do that, nor will it do so in the future.
> >>
> >> Besides, there's other, better, web-based ways to get new product/ad
> info to interested members quickly that the NSRCA could provide to
> advertisers for a profit.  However, it costs $$ to make $$, and running
> NSRCA like a business is difficult with limited budgets and a
> near-requirement that most if not all jobs be filled by volunteers (a BIG
> "Thank You" to them BTW!!).
> >>
> >> Jerry
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >> On Jul 6, 2012, at 3:07 AM, "Ron Hansen" <rcpilot at wowway.com<javascript:;>>
> wrote:
> >>
> >>> You would monitor it just like we monitor it now (someone complains to
> the
> >>> officers they investigate and the officers take the proper actions).
>  If
> >>> someone is found abusing the NSRCA list then the officers can
> temporarily or
> >>> permanently remove them from the list.
> >>>
> >>> Don't we want to incentives advertisers like F3A Unlimited to advertise
> >>> either on our website, K-Factor and/or mailing list???
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org <javascript:;>
> >>> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org <javascript:;>] On
> Behalf Of Budd
> >>> Engineering
> >>> Sent: Friday, July 06, 2012 12:06 AM
> >>> To: General pattern discussion
> >>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Falcon Carbon Fiber Electric Props
> >>>
> >>> Not attacking anyone here but do you (or anyone for that matter) want
> to be
> >>> the one tasked with monitoring and enforcing that?  What if it was
> once a
> >>> month? Or was only allowed for "new product announcements"?  It's
> really not
> >>> such a good idea, as an advertiser on the K-Factor I fully understand
> why
> >>> Chris took the position he did as he has a lot invested in his
> business.  I
> >>> also understand that Ron was really just trying to offer up something
> to
> >>> help some people out, not trying to cut into others business sales.
> >>>
> >>> I ran into a similar situation a few years back when a competitor (who
> ran
> >>> maybe 1 or 2 business sized ads a year in the K-Factor) sent in a
> letter to
> >>> one of the District VP's reminiscing about the passing of one of the
> good ol
> >>> boys from the 90's pattern scene and then spent the rest of his letter
> >>> shamelessly promoting his product (the word count ratio was about 10%
> >>> reminiscing to 90% product promotion).  It was basically a free
> >>> advertisement thinly disguised as a letter to the Editor.
> >>>
> >>> At the time I had run monthly 1/4 page ads in the K-Factor
> uninterrupted for
> >>> something 6-7 years in a row.  When I complained to the K-Factor ad
> manager
> >>> at the time about the unfairness of what had happened, the response I
> got
> >>> was along the lines of "well you can do the same thing, we'll publish
> it".
> >>> I wasn't particularly happy with that answer and decided then and there
> >>> (much like Chris did earlier today), to vote with my checkbook and cut
> way
> >>> back on my advertising.  My point is simply this, if you want people to
> >>> advertise in the K-Factor, then you have to approach it from a
> professional,
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Keith Hoard
Collierville, TN
khoard at gmail.com
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