[NSRCA-discussion] Aresti Question

Fri Dec 14 13:48:35 AKST 2012

Of course, things like the Sportsman "double immelmann" are not standard
Aresti either...

Peter+

On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 2:42 PM, Jon Carter <joncarter60 at comcast.net> wrote:

> Doug, thanks for the tip. I will look into it. I too would rather not make
> any changes to "standard" Aresti.
>
> Jon Carter
>
>
> Doug Cronkhite <seefo at san.rr.com> wrote:
>>
>> There's no need. Unless they've been removed from the software there is
>> another type of roll arrow with a doubled 'head' on it. In IAC this denotes
>> a super-slow roll, but could be adapted for pattern use. It may not be in
>> the catalog anymore. Check the glider symbology. It might still be there.
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Dec 14, 2012, at 1:45 PM, Derek Koopowitz <derekkoopowitz at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> I would prefer to stick to true Aresti versus making it.
>>
>>
>> Jon Carter <joncarter60 at comcast.net> wrote:
>> I can do that but it is non-standard.
>>
>> Jon Carter
>>
>> Scott McHarg <scmcharg at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> We can make a diagram or maneuver look however you want it.  It's not
>>> super easy but it can be done.  The software allows us to design our own
>>> maneuver or use templates.  There are some other experts out there that are
>>> better than I am with the Aresti software.  What you ask for can be done
>>> however.
>>>
>>> Scott
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 2:36 PM, John Gayer <jgghome at comcast.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Scott,
>>>> I know you are reading this.
>>>> In the standard Aresti s/w we have, can you add new maneuvers, such as
>>>> a roll with an "S" where the "4" would be for a four point? Of course we
>>>> would get some folks doing five point rolls and wondering what the zero
>>>>  was for. :)
>>>> John
>>>> On 12/14/2012 12:58 PM, J N Hiller wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Yes I know. Would it be possible for us to deviate from IAC by adding
>>>>> another similar but different symbol to identify a slow roll.
>>>>> The rest of the sequence is well defined in the Aresti diagram without
>>>>> the
>>>>> written description. Its always been this way. Does it need to
>>>>> continue? If
>>>>> so I submit and will continue to reference both. Not a problem. Just
>>>>> requires both.
>>>>> Jim
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces@**lists.nsrca.org<nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org>
>>>>> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-**bounces at lists.nsrca.org<nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org>]On
>>>>> Behalf Of Jack Keiser
>>>>> Sent: Friday, December 14, 2012 11:37 AM
>>>>> To: General pattern discussion
>>>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Aresti Question
>>>>>
>>>>> There is no "slow roll" in IAC. The roll rate is not specified but is
>>>>> usually about 1-2 sec/360 deg. Slower rolls use up too much box and
>>>>> you're
>>>>> usually struggling  to stay in the box. Varying roll rate and heading
>>>>> and
>>>>> pitch changes are the usual downgrades.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Dec 14, 2012, at 11:35, John Gayer <jgghome at comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>  Jim,
>>>>>> To my knowledge, the answer is no. In Aresti a roll is a roll is a
>>>>>> roll.
>>>>>> In the case of this unknown, Scott McHarg designed the pattern for us
>>>>>> and
>>>>>>
>>>>> provided scoresheets as well as the Aresti. The scoresheet identified
>>>>> that
>>>>> roll on a horizontal line as a slow roll.
>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't know any other way.  Aresti for Sportsman and Advanced shows
>>>>>> the
>>>>>>
>>>>> same roll but the descriptions differ.
>>>>>
>>>>>> John
>>>>>> On 12/14/2012 10:31 AM, J N Hiller wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'll ask here because others may be interested.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I got impatient waiting fore the November K-Factor and began reading
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> E-version.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Following the "Rocky Mountain Fall pattern Challenge Unknown
>>>>>>> Sequence"
>>>>>>> Aresti diagram #7 I assume is a slow roll but the roll symbol is the
>>>>>>> same
>>>>>>> for an aileron roll. I don't know that IAC flies two different roll
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> rates.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Is there any way to identify these two different rolls in the
>>>>>>> diagrams we
>>>>>>> use?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jim Hiller
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