[NSRCA-discussion] Fwd: AOPA Aviation Summit: Think youknowspins?

[Del]

Thanks Murray.. It sure looks like that he never realized what had occurred in the 2nd half of his spin.  
 
Remind me of lesson I learned flying scale chipmunk that I had flat spinned and gave it to much elevator before full recovery of wing had taken effect. Needless to say I realized mistake 10 feet to low and 1 sec to late even though 200 feet in air. The snap/spin and loss of precious altitude I had left all ran out while it rekitted. 
 
Make me also remember 1st time I did hard stall spin with my Dad while I only had 8 hours under me and I lost 1500 feet in 2 secs. Never saw a C150 windup that fast.. lol.. frost on wing and my being heavy handed when DAD yelled "Stall it kid"- So yoke was back into my gut  as fast as I could get it there,.. the rest happened so fast I was puzzled for half sec when Dad took over.. Taught me to know all aspects of your flying before you decide to get heavy handed.. and it stuck with me to this day.. lol.. 
 
I had missed this flying accident and is so sad but it does serve as a great reminder their are no old bold pilots.. just old smart ones.. lol ... 
 
Thanks.. 
 
        Del 
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Murray Johnson 
  To: General pattern discussion 
  Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2011 8:45 PM
  Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Fwd: AOPA Aviation Summit: Think youknowspins?


  Here it is Del:


  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3S-B_c9AAA

  A real tragedy.

  MJ

  On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 4:23 PM, Del <drykert2 at rochester.rr.com> wrote:

    Hi Murray,

    Private reply off list. 

    Could you provide me the link to the "Beast" you mentioned?

    Thanks. 

        Del 
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: Murray Johnson 
      To: General pattern discussion 
      Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2011 5:12 PM
      Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Fwd: AOPA Aviation Summit: Think you knowspins?


      It works on all Pitts models. Just like in the video clip if there is an overcontrol applying anti-spin inputs a secondary opposite spin will develope. That is, if a positive spin is overcontrolled a negative spin will occur. Vice versa for a negative spin. The Mueller-Beggs recovery is designed to bypass this condition by instructing you to let go of the stick. An overcontrol is impossible with this recovery technique. Problems occur when a pilot thinks he is in a positive spin when in fact it may be negative as they look almost identical from a cockpit POV, especially if the spin ensued from a botched maneuver. Thinking he is applying anti-spin control inputs my be exascerbating the spin mode. Panic finishes the excercise. In full scale acro it is absolutely essential to get spin training if you want to live to a ripe old age. Luckily when we do this with a model 99.999% of the time we just walk away with a little lighter wallet. One of the reasons why I switched!!

      Have a look at the clip of the "Beast" accident. He was a very, very experienced pilot and see how the secondary spin occurs in the attempted recovery.

      MJ


      On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 11:23 AM, Phil S. <chuenkan at comcast.net> wrote:

        Including the Pitts S-1-2??  I lost a student (not flying) to a Pitts crash one summer -- don't know for sure what he was doing, but rumor had it he spun in... 


        On 10/5/2011 12:17 PM, Murray Johnson wrote: 
          This is a very good re-visit of the Meuller-Beggs emergency spin recovery that is taught in just about every aerobatic school around. Power off, hands off (let go of the stick completely) and step on the hard rudder. If the rudder feels soft and mushy, you've got the wrong one!! Interestingly enough the only tested aerobatic design that does not recover with this technique 100% of the time is the venerable Citabria! It requires anti-spin control inputs to guarantee recovery.

          Cheers

          MJ


          On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 5:42 AM, George Kennie <geobet4evr at gmail.com> wrote:





            http://www.aopa.org/summit/news/2011/110929think-you-know-spins.html?WT.mc_i
            d=110930epilot&WT.mc_sect=tts




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