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<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial>Thanks Murray.. It sure looks like
that he never realized what had occurred in the 2nd half of his spin.
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<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial> </FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial>Remind me of lesson I learned flying
scale chipmunk that I had flat spinned and gave it to much elevator before full
recovery of wing had taken effect. Needless to say I realized mistake 10
feet to low and 1 sec to late even though 200 feet in air. The snap/spin
and loss of precious altitude I had left all ran out while it
rekitted. </FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial> </FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial>Make me also remember 1st time
I did hard stall spin with my Dad while I only had 8 hours under me and I lost
1500 feet in 2 secs. Never saw a C150 windup that fast.. lol.. frost on
wing and my being heavy handed when DAD yelled "Stall it kid"- So yoke was back
into my gut </FONT></STRONG> <STRONG><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial>as
fast as I could get it there,.. the rest happened so fast I was puzzled for half
sec when Dad took over.. Taught me to know all aspects of your flying before you
decide to get heavy handed.. and it stuck with me to this day.. lol..
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<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial>I had missed this flying accident
and is so sad but it does serve as a great reminder their are no old bold
pilots.. just old smart ones.. lol ... </FONT></STRONG></DIV>
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<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial>Thanks.. </FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial> </FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial>
Del </FONT></STRONG></DIV>
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<A title=murrjohnson@gmail.com href="mailto:murrjohnson@gmail.com">Murray
Johnson</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, October 05, 2011 8:45
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Fwd: AOPA
Aviation Summit: Think youknowspins?</DIV>
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<DIV>Here it is Del:</DIV>
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<DIV><BR><A
href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3S-B_c9AAA">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3S-B_c9AAA</A></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>A real tragedy.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>MJ<BR></DIV>
<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 4:23 PM, Del <SPAN
dir=ltr><<A
href="mailto:drykert2@rochester.rr.com">drykert2@rochester.rr.com</A>></SPAN>
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<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial>Hi Murray,</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial></FONT></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial>Private reply off list.
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<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial>Could you provide me the link to
the "Beast" you mentioned?</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
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<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial>Thanks. </FONT></STRONG></DIV>
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<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial>
Del</FONT></STRONG> </DIV></FONT>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4"><B>From:</B> <A
title=murrjohnson@gmail.com href="mailto:murrjohnson@gmail.com"
target=_blank>Murray Johnson</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target=_blank>General
pattern discussion</A> </DIV></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, October 05, 2011
5:12 PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Fwd:
AOPA Aviation Summit: Think you knowspins?</DIV>
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<DIV>It works on all Pitts models. Just like in the video clip if there is
an overcontrol applying anti-spin inputs a secondary opposite spin will
develope. That is, if a positive spin is overcontrolled a negative spin
will occur. Vice versa for a negative spin. The Mueller-Beggs recovery
is designed to bypass this condition by instructing you to let
go of the stick. An overcontrol is impossible with this recovery
technique. Problems occur when a pilot thinks he is in a positive spin
when in fact it may be negative as they look almost identical from a
cockpit POV, especially if the spin ensued from a botched maneuver.
Thinking he is applying anti-spin control inputs my be exascerbating the
spin mode. Panic finishes the excercise. In full scale acro it is
absolutely essential to get spin training if you want to live to a ripe
old age. Luckily when we do this with a model 99.999% of the time we just
walk away with a little lighter wallet. One of the reasons why I
switched!!</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Have a look at the clip of the "Beast" accident. He was a very, very
experienced pilot and see how the secondary spin occurs in the attempted
recovery.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>MJ<BR><BR></DIV>
<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 11:23 AM, Phil S. <SPAN
dir=ltr><<A href="mailto:chuenkan@comcast.net"
target=_blank>chuenkan@comcast.net</A>></SPAN> wrote:<BR>
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<DIV bgcolor="#ffcccc" text="#cc0000">Including the Pitts S-1-2??
I lost a student (not flying) to a Pitts crash one summer -- don't know
for sure what he was doing, but rumor had it he spun in...
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<DIV><BR><BR>On 10/5/2011 12:17 PM, Murray Johnson wrote:
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<DIV>This is a very good re-visit of the Meuller-Beggs emergency spin
recovery that is taught in just about every aerobatic school around.
Power off, hands off (let go of the stick completely) and step on the
hard rudder. If the rudder feels soft and mushy, you've got the wrong
one!! Interestingly enough the only tested aerobatic design that does
not recover with this technique 100% of the time is the venerable
Citabria! It requires anti-spin control inputs to guarantee
recovery.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Cheers</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>MJ<BR><BR></DIV>
<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 5:42 AM, George Kennie
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