[NSRCA-discussion] Fwd: AOPA Aviation Summit: Think you knowspins?

[Murray Johnson]

Here it is Del:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3S-B_c9AAA

A real tragedy.

MJ
On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 4:23 PM, Del <drykert2 at rochester.rr.com> wrote:

> **
> *Hi Murray,*
> **
> *Private reply off list. *
>
> *Could you provide me the link to the "Beast" you mentioned?*
> * *
> *Thanks. *
> * *
> *    Del*
>
>  ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Murray Johnson <murrjohnson at gmail.com>
> *To:* General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>  *Sent:* Wednesday, October 05, 2011 5:12 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Fwd: AOPA Aviation Summit: Think you
> knowspins?
>
>   It works on all Pitts models. Just like in the video clip if there is an
> overcontrol applying anti-spin inputs a secondary opposite spin will
> develope. That is, if a positive spin is overcontrolled a negative spin will
> occur. Vice versa for a negative spin. The Mueller-Beggs recovery
> is designed to bypass this condition by instructing you to let go of the
> stick. An overcontrol is impossible with this recovery technique. Problems
> occur when a pilot thinks he is in a positive spin when in fact it may be
> negative as they look almost identical from a cockpit POV, especially if the
> spin ensued from a botched maneuver. Thinking he is applying anti-spin
> control inputs my be exascerbating the spin mode. Panic finishes the
> excercise. In full scale acro it is absolutely essential to get spin
> training if you want to live to a ripe old age. Luckily when we do this with
> a model 99.999% of the time we just walk away with a little lighter wallet.
> One of the reasons why I switched!!
>
> Have a look at the clip of the "Beast" accident. He was a very, very
> experienced pilot and see how the secondary spin occurs in the attempted
> recovery.
>
> MJ
>
> On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 11:23 AM, Phil S. <chuenkan at comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> **
>> Including the Pitts S-1-2??  I lost a student (not flying) to a Pitts
>> crash one summer -- don't know for sure what he was doing, but rumor had it
>> he spun in...
>>
>>
>> On 10/5/2011 12:17 PM, Murray Johnson wrote:
>>
>> This is a very good re-visit of the Meuller-Beggs emergency spin recovery
>> that is taught in just about every aerobatic school around. Power off, hands
>> off (let go of the stick completely) and step on the hard rudder. If the
>> rudder feels soft and mushy, you've got the wrong one!! Interestingly enough
>> the only tested aerobatic design that does not recover with this technique
>> 100% of the time is the venerable Citabria! It requires anti-spin control
>> inputs to guarantee recovery.
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> MJ
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 5:42 AM, George Kennie <geobet4evr at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
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>>> http://www.aopa.org/summit/news/2011/110929think-you-know-spins.html?WT.mc_i
>>> d=110930epilot&WT.mc_sect=tts
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