[NSRCA-discussion] Junior Members for World Team
John Gayer
jgghome at comcast.net
Mon May 30 09:36:11 AKDT 2011
Arch,
I'm sure any of the potential contenders would much prefer that one of
the others attend than have us focus on 2013 and ignore the possibility
of including a junior this year. "Fair" should pertain to 2013.
John
On 5/30/2011 10:04 AM, Archie Stafford wrote:
> John,
>
> Joseph actually flew FAI a couple of years ago at the NATS. Brandon
> is currently flying FAI, so there are some that can do it, but I don't
> think its fair for the NSRCA members or anyone else to just "pick"
> one. We need to look at the process and come up with a solution for 2013.
>
> I think all 3 of them would be happy to participate, but there are
> certainly more than those 3 that are flying that would have to be
> considered, and I don't see a fair way to do it except to put a
> process in place and choose a member for 2013 during the team
> selection contest,
>
> Arch
>
>
> On 5/30/11 10:40 AM, "John Gayer" <jgghome at comcast.net> wrote:
>
> Arch,
> I completely agree that we need a process for future years.
> Apparently there will be a formal junior competition in two years
> and we need to be ready to field a team for 2013. Whether or not
> the incentive of having a World Junior competition is good for
> junior development is something we can discuss down the road.
> Clearly it will be an expensive proposition when competing overseas.
> This year I believe we need to offer the opportunity to a
> qualified under 18 to compete in the Worlds /this/ year which is
> right around the corner. I don't know and haven't heard whether
> this is even possible at this late date(Derek?).
> You mention several young pilots although it does not appear that
> they are currently flying F3A.
> Do they feel qualified and/or want to participate?
> Perhaps we should solicit applications in the next week for
> qualified applicants who want to compete at the WC. Might only be
> a couple to choose from. At best we need a candidate very soon.
> Otherwise, it's already too late.
> John
>
> On 5/30/2011 8:18 AM, Archie Stafford wrote:
>
>
> I disagree. I think it does need to be formal. Joseph Szczur
> competed a
> couple of years ago in FAI and was a Jr, but is now flying
> Advanced and has
> a good shot at winning this year. Riley Kissenberth has won
> the NATS in
> Intermediate and Advanced back to back years. Brandon made
> the finals in
> Masters 2 years ago. They are all great pilots and there are
> others out
> there, so its not fair to just pick one. You need to have a
> basis on making
> that decision. I think long term we are better served, making
> it announced
> at future team selection years, which could open up another
> can of worms.
> You would then have kids flying Intermediate fly FAI that
> year, just for a
> shot at the team, then back down, which is fine, except I
> think you are not
> really helping their development. I think the process needs
> to be developed
> and put in place, not just send someone to say we sent someone.
>
> Arch
>
>
>
> On 5/30/11 9:29 AM, "Vicente "Vince" Bortone"
> <vicenterc at comcast.net> <mailto:vicenterc at comcast.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> I agree 100 %. It is a great opportunity. The selection
> process does not
> need to be that formal. You never know, this could be a
> "chick" that will
> allow us to discover the next champion.
>
> Vicente "Vince" Bortone
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: John Gayer <jgghome at comcast.net>
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> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Junior Members for World Team
> Derek,
> Since noone qualified through the NAts last year, could we
> extend an
> invitation to an under-18 who is currently flying F3A?
> Perhaps by making
> a selection through how many competitors the candidate has
> beat in
> contests this year? There can't be that many to choose from.
> I suggest that the opportunity to compete in a world
> championship
> against the best in the world would be a very memorable
> experience for
> one of our kids regardless of trophies, etc. Whenever
> there has been an
> opportunity to field a fourth entry as World Champion, we
> have done so,
> even to the possible detriment of our team standing at the
> WC. I suggest
> this would be in the same spirit without any downside
> impact to the team.
> John
> On 5/30/2011 12:01 AM, Derek Koopowitz wrote:
>
>
>
> The Junior category for F3A is only effective starting
> in 2012. A
> decision to include junior's was made by the CIAM F3A
> Sub-Committee
> chair in November last year and got the approval of
> the CIAM committee
> in early December at the CIAM meeting (which I did not
> attend). The
> first I heard about this was the middle of January
> when we were
> getting ready to publish the first bulletin for the
> WCs. This WC will
> not offer a "Junior" World Champion -- there will only
> be a "highest
> placing Junior" if there are more than 3 Junior's
> competing.
>
> One other point to consider... there were NO junior's
> participating at
> the Nats in F3A last year (2010). The only person that
> was listed to
> participate was Brandon Landry and he never competed
> last year. It
> would be a little hard to choose a junior when we
> didn't have any
> competing...
>
> *From:*nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] *On
> Behalf Of *John
> Gayer
> *Sent:* Sunday, May 29, 2011 7:10 PM
> *To:* General pattern discussion
> *Subject:* Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Junior Members for
> World Team
>
> That would be our CIAM representative, Derek
> Koopowitz. However, I
> have no idea if he was the representative when the
> current rules for
> 2011 came up for a vote.
> After that, Al Glenn as team manager should be
> familiar with the rules.
> And of course anyone now flying F3A should also have
> read the rules.
>
> Still I can see how this might be overlooked. After
> all, there appear
> to be only two countries who did not overlook it.
> However the question
> now should be: can we still propose a junior at this
> late date and do
> we have one that is ready to step in? Were there any
> juniors or
> seniors that flew F3A in last year's Nats??
>
>
> On 5/29/2011 7:44 PM, Ronald Van Putte wrote:
>
> I keep wondering who in the U.S. should have been
> "minding the store"
> on this subject. If other countries picked up on
> adding a junior
> member on their team, why didn't we?
>
> Ron
>
> On May 29, 2011, at 8:31 PM, Bob Richards wrote:
>
>
>
> Then I guess the only alternative is to send no
> junior? Seems to me
> that if we get a quick consensus to use the Nats
> results, it should
> all be good.
>
> JMHO,
>
> Bob R.
>
>
>
> --- On *Fri, 5/27/11, Joe Lachowski /<jlachow at hotmail.com
> <mailto:jlachow at hotmail.com>>/*
> <mailto:jlachow at hotmail.com%3E%3E/*> wrote:
>
>
> From: Joe Lachowski <jlachow at hotmail.com
> <mailto:jlachow at hotmail.com>
> <mailto:jlachow at hotmail.com%3E>>
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Junior Members for
> World Team
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> Date: Friday, May 27, 2011, 10:38 PM
>
> I believe none particitated in the team selection process?
>
> Picking someone based on anything else would open a
> can of worms.
>
>
>
> Date: Fri, 27 May 2011 11:11:51 -0600
> From: jgghome at comcast.net <mailto:jgghome at comcast.net>
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> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Junior Members for
> World Team
>
> Looking at the AMA site for the Worlds, I notice
> that several
>
>
> teams have
>
>
> added a fourth junior member to their teams as per
> the new rules.
> It is rather disappointing to me at least that we,
> as the host
>
>
> nation,
>
>
> have not given any of our juniors(under 18) a
> chance to compete
>
>
> at the
>
>
> world level against other international juniors.
>
> John Gayer
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