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Arch,<br>
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I'm sure any of the potential contenders would much prefer that one
of the others attend than have us focus on 2013 and ignore the
possibility of including a junior this year. "Fair" should pertain
to 2013. <br>
<br>
John<br>
<br>
On 5/30/2011 10:04 AM, Archie Stafford wrote:
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style="font-size: 11pt;">John,<br>
<br>
Joseph actually flew FAI a couple of years ago at the NATS.
Brandon is currently flying FAI, so there are some that can
do it, but I don’t think its fair for the NSRCA members or
anyone else to just “pick” one. We need to look at the
process and come up with a solution for 2013.<br>
<br>
I think all 3 of them would be happy to participate, but there
are certainly more than those 3 that are flying that would
have to be considered, and I don’t see a fair way to do it
except to put a process in place and choose a member for 2013
during the team selection contest,<br>
<br>
Arch<br>
<br>
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On 5/30/11 10:40 AM, "John Gayer" <<a
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style="font-size: 11pt;"> Arch,<br>
I completely agree that we need a process for future years.
Apparently there will be a formal junior competition in two
years and we need to be ready to field a team for 2013.
Whether or not the incentive of having a World Junior
competition is good for junior development is something we
can discuss down the road. Clearly it will be an expensive
proposition when competing overseas.<br>
This year I believe we need to offer the opportunity to a
qualified under 18 to compete in the Worlds <i>this</i>
year which is right around the corner. I don't know and
haven't heard whether this is even possible at this late
date(Derek?).<br>
You mention several young pilots although it does not
appear that they are currently flying F3A.<br>
Do they feel qualified and/or want to participate? <br>
Perhaps we should solicit applications in the next week for
qualified applicants who want to compete at the WC. Might
only be a couple to choose from. At best we need a candidate
very soon. Otherwise, it's already too late.<br>
John<br>
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On 5/30/2011 8:18 AM, Archie Stafford wrote: <br>
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I disagree. I think it does need to be formal. Joseph
Szczur competed a<br>
couple of years ago in FAI and was a Jr, but is now flying
Advanced and has<br>
a good shot at winning this year. Riley Kissenberth has
won the NATS in<br>
Intermediate and Advanced back to back years. Brandon
made the finals in<br>
Masters 2 years ago. They are all great pilots and there
are others out<br>
there, so its not fair to just pick one. You need to have
a basis on making<br>
that decision. I think long term we are better served,
making it announced<br>
at future team selection years, which could open up
another can of worms.<br>
You would then have kids flying Intermediate fly FAI that
year, just for a<br>
shot at the team, then back down, which is fine, except I
think you are not<br>
really helping their development. I think the process
needs to be developed<br>
and put in place, not just send someone to say we sent
someone.<br>
<br>
Arch<br>
<br>
<br>
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On 5/30/11 9:29 AM, "Vicente "Vince" Bortone" <<a
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I agree 100 %. It is a great opportunity. The
selection process does not<br>
need to be that formal. You never know, this could be
a "chick" that will<br>
allow us to discover the next champion.<br>
<br>
Vicente "Vince" Bortone<br>
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Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Junior Members for World
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Derek,<br>
Since noone qualified through the NAts last year, could
we extend an<br>
invitation to an under-18 who is currently flying F3A?
Perhaps by making<br>
a selection through how many competitors the candidate
has beat in<br>
contests this year? There can't be that many to choose
from.<br>
I suggest that the opportunity to compete in a world
championship<br>
against the best in the world would be a very memorable
experience for<br>
one of our kids regardless of trophies, etc. Whenever
there has been an<br>
opportunity to field a fourth entry as World Champion,
we have done so,<br>
even to the possible detriment of our team standing at
the WC. I suggest<br>
this would be in the same spirit without any downside
impact to the team.<br>
John<br>
On 5/30/2011 12:01 AM, Derek Koopowitz wrote:<br>
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The Junior category for F3A is only effective starting
in 2012. A<br>
decision to include junior's was made by the CIAM F3A
Sub-Committee<br>
chair in November last year and got the approval of
the CIAM committee<br>
in early December at the CIAM meeting (which I did not
attend). The<br>
first I heard about this was the middle of January
when we were<br>
getting ready to publish the first bulletin for the
WCs. This WC will<br>
not offer a "Junior" World Champion -- there will only
be a "highest<br>
placing Junior" if there are more than 3 Junior's
competing.<br>
<br>
One other point to consider... there were NO junior's
participating at<br>
the Nats in F3A last year (2010). The only person that
was listed to<br>
participate was Brandon Landry and he never competed
last year. It<br>
would be a little hard to choose a junior when we
didn't have any<br>
competing...<br>
<br>
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That would be our CIAM representative, Derek
Koopowitz. However, I<br>
have no idea if he was the representative when the
current rules for<br>
2011 came up for a vote.<br>
After that, Al Glenn as team manager should be
familiar with the rules.<br>
And of course anyone now flying F3A should also have
read the rules.<br>
<br>
Still I can see how this might be overlooked. After
all, there appear<br>
to be only two countries who did not overlook it.
However the question<br>
now should be: can we still propose a junior at this
late date and do<br>
we have one that is ready to step in? Were there any
juniors or<br>
seniors that flew F3A in last year's Nats??<br>
<br>
<br>
On 5/29/2011 7:44 PM, Ronald Van Putte wrote:<br>
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I keep wondering who in the U.S. should have been
"minding the store"<br>
on this subject. If other countries picked up on
adding a junior<br>
member on their team, why didn't we?<br>
<br>
Ron<br>
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On May 29, 2011, at 8:31 PM, Bob Richards wrote:<br>
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<br>
<br>
Then I guess the only alternative is to send no
junior? Seems to me<br>
that if we get a quick consensus to use the Nats
results, it should<br>
all be good.<br>
<br>
JMHO,<br>
<br>
Bob R.<br>
<br>
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I believe none particitated in the team selection
process?<br>
<br>
Picking someone based on anything else would open a
can of worms.<br>
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Looking at the AMA site for the Worlds, I notice
that several<br>
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