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    Arch,<br>
    <br>
    I'm sure any of the potential contenders would much prefer that one
    of the others attend than have us focus on 2013 and ignore the
    possibility of including a junior this year. "Fair" should pertain
    to 2013. <br>
    <br>
    John<br>
    <br>
    On 5/30/2011 10:04 AM, Archie Stafford wrote:
    <blockquote cite="mid:CA09384A.954%25astafford@md.metrocast.net"
      type="cite">
      <title>Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Junior Members for World Team</title>
      <font face="Calibri, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><span
          style="font-size: 11pt;">John,<br>
          <br>
          Joseph actually flew FAI a couple of years ago at the NATS.
          &nbsp;Brandon is currently flying FAI, so there are some that can
          do it, but I don&#8217;t think its fair for the NSRCA members or
          anyone else to just &#8220;pick&#8221; one. &nbsp;We need to look at the
          process and come up with a solution for 2013.<br>
          <br>
          I think all 3 of them would be happy to participate, but there
          are certainly more than those 3 that are flying that would
          have to be considered, and I don&#8217;t see a fair way to do it
          except to put a process in place and choose a member for 2013
          during the team selection contest,<br>
          <br>
          Arch<br>
          <br>
          <br>
          On 5/30/11 10:40 AM, "John Gayer" &lt;<a
            moz-do-not-send="true" href="jgghome@comcast.net">jgghome@comcast.net</a>&gt;
          wrote:<br>
          <br>
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      <blockquote><font face="Calibri, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><span
            style="font-size: 11pt;"> &nbsp;&nbsp;Arch,<br>
            &nbsp;I completely agree that we need a process for future years.
            Apparently there will be a formal junior competition in two
            years and we need to be ready to field a team for 2013.
            Whether or not the incentive of having a World Junior
            competition is good for junior development is something we
            can discuss down the road. Clearly it will be an expensive
            proposition when competing overseas.<br>
            &nbsp;This year I believe we need to offer the opportunity to a
            qualified under 18 to compete in the Worlds <i>this</i>
            year which is right around the corner. I don't know and
            haven't heard whether this is even possible at this late
            date(Derek?).<br>
            &nbsp;You mention several young pilots although it does not
            appear that they are currently flying F3A.<br>
            &nbsp;Do they feel qualified and/or want to participate? <br>
            &nbsp;Perhaps we should solicit applications in the next week for
            qualified applicants who want to compete at the WC. Might
            only be a couple to choose from. At best we need a candidate
            very soon. Otherwise, it's already too late.<br>
            &nbsp;John<br>
            &nbsp;<br>
            &nbsp;On 5/30/2011 8:18 AM, Archie Stafford wrote: <br>
          </span></font>
        <blockquote><font face="Calibri, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><span
              style="font-size: 11pt;"> <br>
              I disagree. &nbsp;I think it does need to be formal. &nbsp;Joseph
              Szczur competed a<br>
              couple of years ago in FAI and was a Jr, but is now flying
              Advanced and has<br>
              a good shot at winning this year. &nbsp;Riley Kissenberth has
              won the NATS in<br>
              Intermediate and Advanced back to back years. &nbsp;Brandon
              made the finals in<br>
              Masters 2 years ago. &nbsp;They are all great pilots and there
              are others out<br>
              there, so its not fair to just pick one. &nbsp;You need to have
              a basis on making<br>
              that decision. &nbsp;I think long term we are better served,
              making it announced<br>
              at future team selection years, which could open up
              another can of worms.<br>
              You would then have kids flying Intermediate fly FAI that
              year, just for a<br>
              shot at the team, then back down, which is fine, except I
              think you are not<br>
              really helping their development. &nbsp;I think the process
              needs to be developed<br>
              and put in place, not just send someone to say we sent
              someone.<br>
              <br>
              Arch<br>
              <br>
              <br>
              <br>
              On 5/30/11 9:29 AM, "Vicente "Vince" Bortone" &lt;<a
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              &nbsp;wrote:<br>
              <br>
              &nbsp;<br>
            </span></font>
          <blockquote><font face="Calibri, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><span
                style="font-size: 11pt;"> <br>
                I agree 100 %. &nbsp;It is a great opportunity. &nbsp;The
                selection process does not<br>
                need to be that formal. &nbsp;You never know, &nbsp;this could be
                a "chick" that will<br>
                allow us to discover the next champion.<br>
                <br>
                Vicente "Vince" Bortone<br>
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                From: John Gayer &amp;lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                  href="jgghome@comcast.net&amp;gt">jgghome@comcast.net&amp;gt</a>;<br>
                To: General pattern discussion &amp;lt;<a
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                  href="nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org&amp;gt">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org&amp;gt</a>;<br>
                Sent: Mon, 30 May 2011 13:18:02 -0000 (UTC)<br>
                Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Junior Members for World
                Team<br>
                Derek,<br>
                Since noone qualified through the NAts last year, could
                we extend an<br>
                invitation to an under-18 who is currently flying F3A?
                Perhaps by making<br>
                a selection through how many competitors the candidate
                has beat in<br>
                contests this year? There can't be that many to choose
                from.<br>
                I suggest that the opportunity to compete in a world
                championship<br>
                against the best in the world would be a very memorable
                experience for<br>
                one of our kids regardless of trophies, etc. Whenever
                there has been an<br>
                opportunity to field a fourth entry as World Champion,
                we have done so,<br>
                even to the possible detriment of our team standing at
                the WC. I suggest<br>
                this would be in the same spirit without any downside
                impact to the team.<br>
                John<br>
                On 5/30/2011 12:01 AM, Derek Koopowitz wrote:<br>
                &nbsp;<br>
              </span></font>
            <blockquote><font face="Calibri, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><span
                  style="font-size: 11pt;"> <br>
                  <br>
                  The Junior category for F3A is only effective starting
                  in 2012. A<br>
                  decision to include junior's was made by the CIAM F3A
                  Sub-Committee<br>
                  chair in November last year and got the approval of
                  the CIAM committee<br>
                  in early December at the CIAM meeting (which I did not
                  attend). The<br>
                  first I heard about this was the middle of January
                  when we were<br>
                  getting ready to publish the first bulletin for the
                  WCs. This WC will<br>
                  not offer a "Junior" World Champion -- there will only
                  be a "highest<br>
                  placing Junior" if there are more than 3 Junior's
                  competing.<br>
                  <br>
                  One other point to consider... there were NO junior's
                  participating at<br>
                  the Nats in F3A last year (2010). The only person that
                  was listed to<br>
                  participate was Brandon Landry and he never competed
                  last year. It<br>
                  would be a little hard to choose a junior when we
                  didn't have any<br>
                  competing...<br>
                  <br>
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                  *On Behalf Of *John<br>
                  Gayer<br>
                  *Sent:* Sunday, May 29, 2011 7:10 PM<br>
                  *To:* General pattern discussion<br>
                  *Subject:* Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Junior Members for
                  World Team<br>
                  <br>
                  That would be our CIAM representative, Derek
                  Koopowitz. However, I<br>
                  have no idea if he was the representative when the
                  current rules for<br>
                  2011 came up for a vote.<br>
                  After that, Al Glenn as team manager should be
                  familiar with the rules.<br>
                  And of course anyone now flying F3A should also have
                  read the rules.<br>
                  <br>
                  Still I can see how this might be overlooked. After
                  all, there appear<br>
                  to be only two countries who did not overlook it.
                  However the question<br>
                  now should be: can we still propose a junior at this
                  late date and do<br>
                  we have one that is ready to step in? Were there any
                  juniors or<br>
                  seniors that flew F3A in last year's Nats??<br>
                  <br>
                  <br>
                  On 5/29/2011 7:44 PM, Ronald Van Putte wrote:<br>
                  <br>
                  I keep wondering who in the U.S. should have been
                  "minding the store"<br>
                  on this subject. If other countries picked up on
                  adding a junior<br>
                  member on their team, why didn't we?<br>
                  <br>
                  Ron<br>
                  <br>
                  On May 29, 2011, at 8:31 PM, Bob Richards wrote:<br>
                  <br>
                  <br>
                  <br>
                  Then I guess the only alternative is to send no
                  junior? Seems to me<br>
                  that if we get a quick consensus to use the Nats
                  results, it should<br>
                  all be good.<br>
                  <br>
                  JMHO,<br>
                  <br>
                  Bob R.<br>
                  <br>
                  <br>
                  <br>
                  --- On *Fri, 5/27/11, Joe Lachowski /&lt;<a
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                  wrote:<br>
                  <br>
                  <br>
                  From: Joe Lachowski &lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                    href="jlachow@hotmail.com">jlachow@hotmail.com</a>
                  &lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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                  Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Junior Members for
                  World Team<br>
                  To: "NSRCA Discussion List" &lt;<a
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                  Date: Friday, May 27, 2011, 10:38 PM<br>
                  <br>
                  I believe none particitated in the team selection
                  process?<br>
                  <br>
                  Picking someone based on anything else would open a
                  can of worms.<br>
                  <br>
                  &nbsp;<br>
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                    Date: Fri, 27 May 2011 11:11:51 -0600<br>
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                    Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Junior Members for World
                    Team<br>
                    <br>
                    Looking at the AMA site for the Worlds, I notice
                    that several<br>
                    &nbsp;<br>
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                  teams have<br>
                  &nbsp;<br>
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                  Arial"><span style="font-size: 11pt;"> <br>
                    added a fourth junior member to their teams as per
                    the new rules.<br>
                    It is rather disappointing to me at least that we,
                    as the host<br>
                    &nbsp;<br>
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                  nation,<br>
                  &nbsp;<br>
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                  Arial"><span style="font-size: 11pt;"> <br>
                    have not given any of our juniors(under 18) a chance
                    to compete<br>
                    &nbsp;<br>
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                  at the<br>
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              <blockquote><font face="Calibri, Verdana, Helvetica,
                  Arial"><span style="font-size: 11pt;"> <br>
                    world level against other international juniors.<br>
                    <br>
                    John Gayer<br>
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