[NSRCA-discussion] Junior Members for World Team
Archie Stafford
astafford at md.metrocast.net
Mon May 30 08:04:47 AKDT 2011
John,
Joseph actually flew FAI a couple of years ago at the NATS. Brandon is
currently flying FAI, so there are some that can do it, but I don¹t think
its fair for the NSRCA members or anyone else to just ³pick² one. We need
to look at the process and come up with a solution for 2013.
I think all 3 of them would be happy to participate, but there are certainly
more than those 3 that are flying that would have to be considered, and I
don¹t see a fair way to do it except to put a process in place and choose a
member for 2013 during the team selection contest,
Arch
On 5/30/11 10:40 AM, "John Gayer" <jgghome at comcast.net> wrote:
> Arch,
> I completely agree that we need a process for future years. Apparently there
> will be a formal junior competition in two years and we need to be ready to
> field a team for 2013. Whether or not the incentive of having a World Junior
> competition is good for junior development is something we can discuss down
> the road. Clearly it will be an expensive proposition when competing overseas.
> This year I believe we need to offer the opportunity to a qualified under 18
> to compete in the Worlds this year which is right around the corner. I don't
> know and haven't heard whether this is even possible at this late
> date(Derek?).
> You mention several young pilots although it does not appear that they are
> currently flying F3A.
> Do they feel qualified and/or want to participate?
> Perhaps we should solicit applications in the next week for qualified
> applicants who want to compete at the WC. Might only be a couple to choose
> from. At best we need a candidate very soon. Otherwise, it's already too late.
> John
>
> On 5/30/2011 8:18 AM, Archie Stafford wrote:
>>
>> I disagree. I think it does need to be formal. Joseph Szczur competed a
>> couple of years ago in FAI and was a Jr, but is now flying Advanced and has
>> a good shot at winning this year. Riley Kissenberth has won the NATS in
>> Intermediate and Advanced back to back years. Brandon made the finals in
>> Masters 2 years ago. They are all great pilots and there are others out
>> there, so its not fair to just pick one. You need to have a basis on making
>> that decision. I think long term we are better served, making it announced
>> at future team selection years, which could open up another can of worms.
>> You would then have kids flying Intermediate fly FAI that year, just for a
>> shot at the team, then back down, which is fine, except I think you are not
>> really helping their development. I think the process needs to be developed
>> and put in place, not just send someone to say we sent someone.
>>
>> Arch
>>
>>
>>
>> On 5/30/11 9:29 AM, "Vicente "Vince" Bortone" <vicenterc at comcast.net>
>> <mailto:vicenterc at comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>
>>> I agree 100 %. It is a great opportunity. The selection process does not
>>> need to be that formal. You never know, this could be a "chick" that will
>>> allow us to discover the next champion.
>>>
>>> Vicente "Vince" Bortone
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: John Gayer <jgghome at comcast.net>
>>> To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>>> Sent: Mon, 30 May 2011 13:18:02 -0000 (UTC)
>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Junior Members for World Team
>>> Derek,
>>> Since noone qualified through the NAts last year, could we extend an
>>> invitation to an under-18 who is currently flying F3A? Perhaps by making
>>> a selection through how many competitors the candidate has beat in
>>> contests this year? There can't be that many to choose from.
>>> I suggest that the opportunity to compete in a world championship
>>> against the best in the world would be a very memorable experience for
>>> one of our kids regardless of trophies, etc. Whenever there has been an
>>> opportunity to field a fourth entry as World Champion, we have done so,
>>> even to the possible detriment of our team standing at the WC. I suggest
>>> this would be in the same spirit without any downside impact to the team.
>>> John
>>> On 5/30/2011 12:01 AM, Derek Koopowitz wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The Junior category for F3A is only effective starting in 2012. A
>>>> decision to include junior's was made by the CIAM F3A Sub-Committee
>>>> chair in November last year and got the approval of the CIAM committee
>>>> in early December at the CIAM meeting (which I did not attend). The
>>>> first I heard about this was the middle of January when we were
>>>> getting ready to publish the first bulletin for the WCs. This WC will
>>>> not offer a "Junior" World Champion -- there will only be a "highest
>>>> placing Junior" if there are more than 3 Junior's competing.
>>>>
>>>> One other point to consider... there were NO junior's participating at
>>>> the Nats in F3A last year (2010). The only person that was listed to
>>>> participate was Brandon Landry and he never competed last year. It
>>>> would be a little hard to choose a junior when we didn't have any
>>>> competing...
>>>>
>>>> *From:*nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
>>>> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] *On Behalf Of *John
>>>> Gayer
>>>> *Sent:* Sunday, May 29, 2011 7:10 PM
>>>> *To:* General pattern discussion
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Junior Members for World Team
>>>>
>>>> That would be our CIAM representative, Derek Koopowitz. However, I
>>>> have no idea if he was the representative when the current rules for
>>>> 2011 came up for a vote.
>>>> After that, Al Glenn as team manager should be familiar with the rules.
>>>> And of course anyone now flying F3A should also have read the rules.
>>>>
>>>> Still I can see how this might be overlooked. After all, there appear
>>>> to be only two countries who did not overlook it. However the question
>>>> now should be: can we still propose a junior at this late date and do
>>>> we have one that is ready to step in? Were there any juniors or
>>>> seniors that flew F3A in last year's Nats??
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 5/29/2011 7:44 PM, Ronald Van Putte wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I keep wondering who in the U.S. should have been "minding the store"
>>>> on this subject. If other countries picked up on adding a junior
>>>> member on their team, why didn't we?
>>>>
>>>> Ron
>>>>
>>>> On May 29, 2011, at 8:31 PM, Bob Richards wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Then I guess the only alternative is to send no junior? Seems to me
>>>> that if we get a quick consensus to use the Nats results, it should
>>>> all be good.
>>>>
>>>> JMHO,
>>>>
>>>> Bob R.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --- On *Fri, 5/27/11, Joe Lachowski /<jlachow at hotmail.com
>>>> <mailto:jlachow at hotmail.com>>/* wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> From: Joe Lachowski <jlachow at hotmail.com <mailto:jlachow at hotmail.com>>
>>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Junior Members for World Team
>>>> To: "NSRCA Discussion List" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>>>> <mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>>
>>>> Date: Friday, May 27, 2011, 10:38 PM
>>>>
>>>> I believe none particitated in the team selection process?
>>>>
>>>> Picking someone based on anything else would open a can of worms.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Date: Fri, 27 May 2011 11:11:51 -0600
>>>>> From: jgghome at comcast.net <mailto:jgghome at comcast.net>
>>>>> To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
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>>>>>
>>>>> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Junior Members for World Team
>>>>>
>>>>> Looking at the AMA site for the Worlds, I notice that several
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> teams have
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> added a fourth junior member to their teams as per the new rules.
>>>>> It is rather disappointing to me at least that we, as the host
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> nation,
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> have not given any of our juniors(under 18) a chance to compete
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> at the
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> world level against other international juniors.
>>>>>
>>>>> John Gayer
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