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<FONT FACE="Calibri, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><SPAN STYLE='font-size:11pt'>John,<BR>
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Joseph actually flew FAI a couple of years ago at the NATS. Brandon is currently flying FAI, so there are some that can do it, but I don’t think its fair for the NSRCA members or anyone else to just “pick” one. We need to look at the process and come up with a solution for 2013.<BR>
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I think all 3 of them would be happy to participate, but there are certainly more than those 3 that are flying that would have to be considered, and I don’t see a fair way to do it except to put a process in place and choose a member for 2013 during the team selection contest,<BR>
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Arch<BR>
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On 5/30/11 10:40 AM, "John Gayer" <<a href="jgghome@comcast.net">jgghome@comcast.net</a>> wrote:<BR>
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I completely agree that we need a process for future years. Apparently there will be a formal junior competition in two years and we need to be ready to field a team for 2013. Whether or not the incentive of having a World Junior competition is good for junior development is something we can discuss down the road. Clearly it will be an expensive proposition when competing overseas.<BR>
This year I believe we need to offer the opportunity to a qualified under 18 to compete in the Worlds <I>this</I> year which is right around the corner. I don't know and haven't heard whether this is even possible at this late date(Derek?).<BR>
You mention several young pilots although it does not appear that they are currently flying F3A.<BR>
Do they feel qualified and/or want to participate? <BR>
Perhaps we should solicit applications in the next week for qualified applicants who want to compete at the WC. Might only be a couple to choose from. At best we need a candidate very soon. Otherwise, it's already too late.<BR>
John<BR>
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On 5/30/2011 8:18 AM, Archie Stafford wrote: <BR>
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I disagree. I think it does need to be formal. Joseph Szczur competed a<BR>
couple of years ago in FAI and was a Jr, but is now flying Advanced and has<BR>
a good shot at winning this year. Riley Kissenberth has won the NATS in<BR>
Intermediate and Advanced back to back years. Brandon made the finals in<BR>
Masters 2 years ago. They are all great pilots and there are others out<BR>
there, so its not fair to just pick one. You need to have a basis on making<BR>
that decision. I think long term we are better served, making it announced<BR>
at future team selection years, which could open up another can of worms.<BR>
You would then have kids flying Intermediate fly FAI that year, just for a<BR>
shot at the team, then back down, which is fine, except I think you are not<BR>
really helping their development. I think the process needs to be developed<BR>
and put in place, not just send someone to say we sent someone.<BR>
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Arch<BR>
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On 5/30/11 9:29 AM, "Vicente "Vince" Bortone" <<a href="vicenterc@comcast.net">vicenterc@comcast.net</a>> <<a href="mailto:vicenterc@comcast.net">mailto:vicenterc@comcast.net</a>> wrote:<BR>
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I agree 100 %. It is a great opportunity. The selection process does not<BR>
need to be that formal. You never know, this could be a "chick" that will<BR>
allow us to discover the next champion.<BR>
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Vicente "Vince" Bortone<BR>
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Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Junior Members for World Team<BR>
Derek,<BR>
Since noone qualified through the NAts last year, could we extend an<BR>
invitation to an under-18 who is currently flying F3A? Perhaps by making<BR>
a selection through how many competitors the candidate has beat in<BR>
contests this year? There can't be that many to choose from.<BR>
I suggest that the opportunity to compete in a world championship<BR>
against the best in the world would be a very memorable experience for<BR>
one of our kids regardless of trophies, etc. Whenever there has been an<BR>
opportunity to field a fourth entry as World Champion, we have done so,<BR>
even to the possible detriment of our team standing at the WC. I suggest<BR>
this would be in the same spirit without any downside impact to the team.<BR>
John<BR>
On 5/30/2011 12:01 AM, Derek Koopowitz wrote:<BR>
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The Junior category for F3A is only effective starting in 2012. A<BR>
decision to include junior's was made by the CIAM F3A Sub-Committee<BR>
chair in November last year and got the approval of the CIAM committee<BR>
in early December at the CIAM meeting (which I did not attend). The<BR>
first I heard about this was the middle of January when we were<BR>
getting ready to publish the first bulletin for the WCs. This WC will<BR>
not offer a "Junior" World Champion -- there will only be a "highest<BR>
placing Junior" if there are more than 3 Junior's competing.<BR>
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One other point to consider... there were NO junior's participating at<BR>
the Nats in F3A last year (2010). The only person that was listed to<BR>
participate was Brandon Landry and he never competed last year. It<BR>
would be a little hard to choose a junior when we didn't have any<BR>
competing...<BR>
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That would be our CIAM representative, Derek Koopowitz. However, I<BR>
have no idea if he was the representative when the current rules for<BR>
2011 came up for a vote.<BR>
After that, Al Glenn as team manager should be familiar with the rules.<BR>
And of course anyone now flying F3A should also have read the rules.<BR>
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Still I can see how this might be overlooked. After all, there appear<BR>
to be only two countries who did not overlook it. However the question<BR>
now should be: can we still propose a junior at this late date and do<BR>
we have one that is ready to step in? Were there any juniors or<BR>
seniors that flew F3A in last year's Nats??<BR>
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On 5/29/2011 7:44 PM, Ronald Van Putte wrote:<BR>
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I keep wondering who in the U.S. should have been "minding the store"<BR>
on this subject. If other countries picked up on adding a junior<BR>
member on their team, why didn't we?<BR>
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Ron<BR>
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On May 29, 2011, at 8:31 PM, Bob Richards wrote:<BR>
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Then I guess the only alternative is to send no junior? Seems to me<BR>
that if we get a quick consensus to use the Nats results, it should<BR>
all be good.<BR>
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JMHO,<BR>
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Bob R.<BR>
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I believe none particitated in the team selection process?<BR>
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Picking someone based on anything else would open a can of worms.<BR>
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Looking at the AMA site for the Worlds, I notice that several<BR>
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added a fourth junior member to their teams as per the new rules.<BR>
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have not given any of our juniors(under 18) a chance to compete<BR>
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world level against other international juniors.<BR>
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