[NSRCA-discussion] Fwd: A question for the experts

Fri May 27 11:29:21 AKDT 2011

I promise to "move up" as soon as I get into the top 25% at the Nats.

BTW, I have no problem with poor pilots moving up to the Master  
class; I need somebody I can beat.

Ron

Begin forwarded message:

> From: Scott McHarg <scmcharg at gmail.com>
> Date: May 27, 2011 2:23:29 PM CDT
> To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] A question for the experts
> Reply-To: General pattern discussion <nsrca- 
> discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>
> Dear Mr. Van Putte, You have my utmost respect but, maybe the (and  
> I quote) "$#@! Master class guys" should move up??  Makes room for  
> us poor nobody pee-on Advanced guys that HAVE to move up.  Just  
> sayin......    :)
>
> PS - This is a joke.  Please do not come banging on my door wanting  
> to have a word with me without a Bud Light in hand and another to  
> share.  Thank you for your continued support.
>
> On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 1:58 PM, Ronald Van Putte  
> <vanputte at cox.net> wrote:
> We don't need no more $#@! Master class guys!
>
> Ron
>
> On May 27, 2011, at 11:04 AM, Scott McHarg wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Warmest Regards,
>>   A soon to be Masters guy
>>
>> On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 10:23 AM, Glen Watson  
>> <ghwatson at comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Dave, presents a good argument to fly FAI vs. AMA...AMA is judge more
>> harshly.
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
>> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of  
>> Dave Lockhart
>> Sent: Friday, May 27, 2011 10:12 AM
>> To: 'General pattern discussion'
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] A question for the experts
>>
>> Matt,
>>
>> If you are judging by the rules, your answer must be different for  
>> FAI -
>>
>> 5B.8 WIND CORRECTION
>> All manoeuvres are required to be wind corrected in such a way  
>> that the
>> shape of the maneouvre as described in Annex 5A.  is preserved in  
>> the model
>> aircraft's flight.  The exceptions to this grading criterion are  
>> in the
>> stall turns, and spins, where the model is in a stalled condition.
>>
>> My opinion is that the AMA book should be updated to be consistent  
>> with the
>> FAI book on this topic, and the FAI book is clearly better suited  
>> to the
>> real world dynamics of stall turns in windy conditions.
>>
>> To answer Don's original question -
>> For AMA, by the book, - the maneuver is downgraded for drift.
>> For FAI, by the book, - the maneuver is not downgraded for drift.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Dave Lockhart
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
>> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of
>> mjfrederick at cox.net
>> Sent: Friday, May 27, 2011 8:53 AM
>> To: General pattern discussion
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] A question for the experts
>>
>> I'm not sure where the notion came from that wind drift during a  
>> stall turn
>> is not downgraded. In AMA judging criteria the only maneuver that
>> specifically mentions that no downgrade is given for wind drift is  
>> the spin,
>> and that is only DURING the stalled portion of the maneuver. In a  
>> "stall"
>> turn there is no true stall of the wing as there is in a spin. If  
>> flown with
>> the proper wind corrections on the up- and down-lines there should  
>> be no
>> noticable deviation in distance. If there is, the maneuver should be
>> downgraded because the pilot failed to make the proper wind  
>> correction. Even
>> if there was a slight drift during the 180 turn at the apex of the  
>> lines,
>> the pilot should recognize that and incorporate the proper  
>> adjustment to the
>> downline to bring the aircraft back to the original starting  
>> distance. To
>> me, it's no different than turbulence that might cause the  
>> aircraft to
>> temporarily deviate from straight and level flight. Adjustments  
>> must be made
>> to return the airplane to th  e original line. I don't feel like  
>> pulling up
>> the FAI rule book, so I just won't go there, but I'm not sure if  
>> my answer
>> would be any different.
>>
>> Matt
>>
>>
>> ---- tocdon at netscape.net wrote:
>>
>> A question for the judging experts.
>>
>> Figure M, both Masters and FAI- Yes I know the bottom line rule  
>> the best
>> presentation gets the best score, but a technical question.
>>
>> Maneuver flow  in a crosswind.  Plane starts maneuver at 140  
>> meters distance
>> out.  During the first stall turn the plane drifts out (recall  
>> this is a
>> stalled maneuver); second stall turn the plane drifts out again  
>> (same).  Now
>> the plane wind corrects in all other aspects of the maneuver but  
>> exits
>> approximately 20 meters further out than the entry and no defects  
>> observed,
>> but exit distance is 160 meters.  What is the score given for this  
>> maneuver?
>>
>> Best Regards,
>>
>> Don
>>
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