[NSRCA-discussion] A question for the experts

[Scott McHarg]

Dear Mr. Van Putte, You have my utmost respect but, maybe the (and I quote)
"$#@! Master class guys" should move up??  Makes room for us poor nobody
pee-on Advanced guys that HAVE to move up.  Just sayin......    :)

PS - This is a joke.  Please do not come banging on my door wanting to have
a word with me without a Bud Light in hand and another to share.  Thank you
for your continued support.

On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 1:58 PM, Ronald Van Putte <vanputte at cox.net> wrote:

> We don't need no more $#@! Master class guys!
>
> Ron
>
> On May 27, 2011, at 11:04 AM, Scott McHarg wrote:
>
>
>
> Warmest Regards,
>   A soon to be Masters guy
>
> On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 10:23 AM, Glen Watson <ghwatson at comcast.net>wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Dave, presents a good argument to fly FAI vs. AMA...AMA is judge more
>> harshly.
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
>> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Dave
>> Lockhart
>> Sent: Friday, May 27, 2011 10:12 AM
>> To: 'General pattern discussion'
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] A question for the experts
>>
>> Matt,
>>
>> If you are judging by the rules, your answer must be different for FAI -
>>
>> 5B.8 WIND CORRECTION
>> All manoeuvres are required to be wind corrected in such a way that the
>> shape of the maneouvre as described in Annex 5A.  is preserved in the
>> model
>> aircraft's flight.  The exceptions to this grading criterion are in the
>> stall turns, and spins, where the model is in a stalled condition.
>>
>> My opinion is that the AMA book should be updated to be consistent with
>> the
>> FAI book on this topic, and the FAI book is clearly better suited to the
>> real world dynamics of stall turns in windy conditions.
>>
>> To answer Don's original question -
>> For AMA, by the book, - the maneuver is downgraded for drift.
>> For FAI, by the book, - the maneuver is not downgraded for drift.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Dave Lockhart
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
>> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of
>> mjfrederick at cox.net
>> Sent: Friday, May 27, 2011 8:53 AM
>> To: General pattern discussion
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] A question for the experts
>>
>> I'm not sure where the notion came from that wind drift during a stall
>> turn
>> is not downgraded. In AMA judging criteria the only maneuver that
>> specifically mentions that no downgrade is given for wind drift is the
>> spin,
>> and that is only DURING the stalled portion of the maneuver. In a "stall"
>> turn there is no true stall of the wing as there is in a spin. If flown
>> with
>> the proper wind corrections on the up- and down-lines there should be no
>> noticable deviation in distance. If there is, the maneuver should be
>> downgraded because the pilot failed to make the proper wind correction.
>> Even
>> if there was a slight drift during the 180 turn at the apex of the lines,
>> the pilot should recognize that and incorporate the proper adjustment to
>> the
>> downline to bring the aircraft back to the original starting distance. To
>> me, it's no different than turbulence that might cause the aircraft to
>> temporarily deviate from straight and level flight. Adjustments must be
>> made
>> to return the airplane to th  e original line. I don't feel like pulling
>> up
>> the FAI rule book, so I just won't go there, but I'm not sure if my answer
>> would be any different.
>>
>> Matt
>>
>>
>> ---- tocdon at netscape.net wrote:
>>
>> A question for the judging experts.
>>
>> Figure M, both Masters and FAI- Yes I know the bottom line rule the best
>> presentation gets the best score, but a technical question.
>>
>> Maneuver flow  in a crosswind.  Plane starts maneuver at 140 meters
>> distance
>> out.  During the first stall turn the plane drifts out (recall this is a
>> stalled maneuver); second stall turn the plane drifts out again (same).
>>  Now
>> the plane wind corrects in all other aspects of the maneuver but exits
>> approximately 20 meters further out than the entry and no defects
>> observed,
>> but exit distance is 160 meters.  What is the score given for this
>> maneuver?
>>
>> Best Regards,
>>
>> Don
>>
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