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I promise to "move up" as soon as I get into the top 25% at the Nats. <div><br></div><div>BTW, I have no problem with poor pilots moving up to the Master class; I need somebody I can beat.<div><br></div><div>Ron<br><div><br><div>Begin forwarded message:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><font face="Helvetica" size="3" color="#000000" style="font: 12.0px Helvetica; color: #000000"><b>From: </b></font><font face="Helvetica" size="3" style="font: 12.0px Helvetica">Scott McHarg <<a href="mailto:scmcharg@gmail.com">scmcharg@gmail.com</a>></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><font face="Helvetica" size="3" color="#000000" style="font: 12.0px Helvetica; color: #000000"><b>Date: </b></font><font face="Helvetica" size="3" style="font: 12.0px Helvetica">May 27, 2011 2:23:29 PM CDT</font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><font face="Helvetica" size="3" color="#000000" style="font: 12.0px Helvetica; color: #000000"><b>To: </b></font><font face="Helvetica" size="3" style="font: 12.0px Helvetica">General pattern discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><font face="Helvetica" size="3" color="#000000" style="font: 12.0px Helvetica; color: #000000"><b>Subject: </b></font><font face="Helvetica" size="3" style="font: 12.0px Helvetica"><b>Re: [NSRCA-discussion] A question for the experts</b></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><font face="Helvetica" size="3" color="#000000" style="font: 12.0px Helvetica; color: #000000"><b>Reply-To: </b></font><font face="Helvetica" size="3" style="font: 12.0px Helvetica">General pattern discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div> Dear Mr. Van Putte, You have my utmost respect but, maybe the (and I quote) "$#@! Master class guys" should move up?? Makes room for us poor nobody pee-on Advanced guys that HAVE to move up. Just sayin...... :)<br> <br>PS - This is a joke. Please do not come banging on my door wanting to have a word with me without a Bud Light in hand and another to share. Thank you for your continued support.<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 1:58 PM, Ronald Van Putte <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:vanputte@cox.net">vanputte@cox.net</a>></span> wrote:<br> <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div style="word-wrap:break-word"> We don't need no more $#@! Master class guys!<div><br></div><div>Ron</div><div><div></div><div class="h5"><div><br><div><div>On May 27, 2011, at 11:04 AM, Scott McHarg wrote:</div><br><blockquote type="cite"><br><br> Warmest Regards,<br> A soon to be Masters guy<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 10:23 AM, Glen Watson <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:ghwatson@comcast.net" target="_blank">ghwatson@comcast.net</a>></span> wrote:<br> <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><br> <br> Dave, presents a good argument to fly FAI vs. AMA...AMA is judge more<br> harshly.<br> <br> <br> <br> -----Original Message-----<br> From: <a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a><br> [mailto:<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>] On Behalf Of Dave Lockhart<br> Sent: Friday, May 27, 2011 10:12 AM<br> To: 'General pattern discussion'<br> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] A question for the experts<br> <br> Matt,<br> <br> If you are judging by the rules, your answer must be different for FAI -<br> <br> 5B.8 WIND CORRECTION<br> All manoeuvres are required to be wind corrected in such a way that the<br> shape of the maneouvre as described in Annex 5A. is preserved in the model<br> aircraft's flight. The exceptions to this grading criterion are in the<br> stall turns, and spins, where the model is in a stalled condition.<br> <br> My opinion is that the AMA book should be updated to be consistent with the<br> FAI book on this topic, and the FAI book is clearly better suited to the<br> real world dynamics of stall turns in windy conditions.<br> <br> To answer Don's original question -<br> For AMA, by the book, - the maneuver is downgraded for drift.<br> For FAI, by the book, - the maneuver is not downgraded for drift.<br> <br> Regards,<br> <br> Dave Lockhart<br> <br> <br> <br> -----Original Message-----<br> From: <a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a><br> [mailto:<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>] On Behalf Of<br> <a href="mailto:mjfrederick@cox.net" target="_blank">mjfrederick@cox.net</a><br> Sent: Friday, May 27, 2011 8:53 AM<br> To: General pattern discussion<br> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] A question for the experts<br> <br> I'm not sure where the notion came from that wind drift during a stall turn<br> is not downgraded. In AMA judging criteria the only maneuver that<br> specifically mentions that no downgrade is given for wind drift is the spin,<br> and that is only DURING the stalled portion of the maneuver. In a "stall"<br> turn there is no true stall of the wing as there is in a spin. If flown with<br> the proper wind corrections on the up- and down-lines there should be no<br> noticable deviation in distance. If there is, the maneuver should be<br> downgraded because the pilot failed to make the proper wind correction. Even<br> if there was a slight drift during the 180 turn at the apex of the lines,<br> the pilot should recognize that and incorporate the proper adjustment to the<br> downline to bring the aircraft back to the original starting distance. To<br> me, it's no different than turbulence that might cause the aircraft to<br> temporarily deviate from straight and level flight. Adjustments must be made<br> to return the airplane to th e original line. I don't feel like pulling up<br> the FAI rule book, so I just won't go there, but I'm not sure if my answer<br> would be any different.<br> <br> Matt<br> <br> <br> ---- <a href="mailto:tocdon@netscape.net" target="_blank">tocdon@netscape.net</a> wrote:<br> <br> A question for the judging experts.<br> <br> Figure M, both Masters and FAI- Yes I know the bottom line rule the best<br> presentation gets the best score, but a technical question.<br> <br> Maneuver flow in a crosswind. Plane starts maneuver at 140 meters distance<br> out. During the first stall turn the plane drifts out (recall this is a<br> stalled maneuver); second stall turn the plane drifts out again (same). Now<br> the plane wind corrects in all other aspects of the maneuver but exits<br> approximately 20 meters further out than the entry and no defects observed,<br> but exit distance is 160 meters. What is the score given for this maneuver?<br> <br> Best Regards,<br> <br> Don<br> <br> _______________________________________________<br> NSRCA-discussion mailing list<br> <a href="mailto:NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a><br> <a href="http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion" target="_blank">http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion</a><br> <br> _______________________________________________<br> NSRCA-discussion mailing list<br> <a href="mailto:NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a><br> <a href="http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion" target="_blank">http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion</a><br> <br> _______________________________________________<br> NSRCA-discussion mailing list<br> <a href="mailto:NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a><br> <a href="http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion" target="_blank">http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion</a><br> </blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br><b style="color:rgb(51, 51, 255)"><font style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif" size="4">Scott A. 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