[NSRCA-discussion] A question for the experts

[Vicente "Vince" Bortone]

The AMA rule that Dave L. mention below states two cases: Spin and Stall Turns.  I will agree that the description of stall turn should include the drift description as is described in the spins and FAI .  

Vicente "Vince" Bortone 

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I think the only place where drift is allowed is right at the stall 
turn.  while the plane is moving up or down the course needs to be wind 
corrected.  It would take a pretty good wind to significantly blow the 
plane out while stalling unless you were in a hover first :) 

On 5/27/2011 11:11 AM, Dave Lockhart wrote: 
> Matt, 
> 
> If you are judging by the rules, your answer must be different for FAI - 
> 
> 5B.8 WIND CORRECTION 
> All manoeuvres are required to be wind corrected in such a way that the 
> shape of the maneouvre as described in Annex 5A.  is preserved in the model 
> aircraft's flight.  The exceptions to this grading criterion are in the 
> stall turns, and spins, where the model is in a stalled condition. 
> 
> My opinion is that the AMA book should be updated to be consistent with the 
> FAI book on this topic, and the FAI book is clearly better suited to the 
> real world dynamics of stall turns in windy conditions. 
> 
> To answer Don's original question - 
> For AMA, by the book, - the maneuver is downgraded for drift. 
> For FAI , by the book, - the maneuver is not downgraded for drift. 
> 
> Regards, 
> 
> Dave Lockhart 
> 
> 
> 
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> I'm not sure where the notion came from that wind drift during a stall turn 
> is not downgraded. In AMA judging criteria the only maneuver that 
> specifically mentions that no downgrade is given for wind drift is the spin, 
> and that is only DURING the stalled portion of the maneuver. In a "stall" 
> turn there is no true stall of the wing as there is in a spin. If flown with 
> the proper wind corrections on the up- and down-lines there should be no 
> noticable deviation in distance. If there is, the maneuver should be 
> downgraded because the pilot failed to make the proper wind correction. Even 
> if there was a slight drift during the 180 turn at the apex of the lines, 
> the pilot should recognize that and incorporate the proper adjustment to the 
> downline to bring the aircraft back to the original starting distance. To 
> me, it's no different than turbulence that might cause the aircraft to 
> temporarily deviate from straight and level flight. Adjustments must be made 
> to return the airplane to th  e original line. I don't feel like pulling up 
> the FAI rule book, so I just won't go there, but I'm not sure if my answer 
> would be any different. 
> 
> Matt 
> 
> 
> ---- tocdon @ netscape .net wrote: 
> 
> A question for the judging experts. 
> 
> Figure M, both Masters and FAI - Yes I know the bottom line rule the best 
> presentation gets the best score, but a technical question. 
> 
> Maneuver flow  in a crosswind.  Plane starts maneuver at 140 meters distance 
> out.  During the first stall turn the plane drifts out (recall this is a 
> stalled maneuver); second stall turn the plane drifts out again (same).  Now 
> the plane wind corrects in all other aspects of the maneuver but exits 
> approximately 20 meters further out than the entry and no defects observed, 
> but exit distance is 160 meters.  What is the score given for this maneuver? 
> 
> Best Regards, 
> 
> Don 
> 
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