[NSRCA-discussion] Quick question re: cellular data service at the fields where you compete

Thu Dec 8 15:53:03 AKST 2011

Go to the District 8 NSRCA website... you can d/l it there...

http://nsrca.us/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=460&Itemid=492 is
the link to directly take you to the page that has the scoring program to
d/l.

On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 4:49 PM, Peter Vogel <vogel.peter at gmail.com> wrote:

> Interesting!  Can someone point me to said Excel app?
>
> Peter+
>
> On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 4:44 PM, Derek Koopowitz <derekkoopowitz at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Peter,
>>
>> Since you are in California, we do not use PACSS - we use a scoring
>> program developed by someone else for ALL contests in California - it is
>> Excel based.
>>
>> -Derek
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 1:55 PM, Peter Vogel <vogel.peter at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks!  I fully expect this sort of thing to be preference based, but I
>>> do love the idea of just clicking a clicker for downgrades and another
>>> button to click when the maneuver is complete so I'll definitely implement
>>> something like that.
>>>
>>> I *don't* think this would be mandatory by any means, but I think it
>>> could be a huge time saver, and I'm also envisioning some cloud-based
>>> capabilities for contestants to analyze their performance over time,
>>> particularly when they can compare the same maneuver in front of the same
>>> set of judges over time.
>>>
>>> I thought about doing it all over wifi to the CD/scorekeeper's system
>>> and that's still an option, but implementation becomes WAY easier if I can
>>> just stand up a service on amazon web services rather than making the CD's
>>> system be the host where I also need to solve persistence, etc.  But, I am
>>> very sensitive to the possibility of stuff being broken and that's why I'd
>>> already opened the conversation with Gene for making this a mechanism that
>>> *works with* PACSS rather than a *replacement* for PACSS.
>>>
>>> Peter+
>>>
>>> On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 10:06 AM, John Gayer <jgghome at comcast.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>  I think Mark has a much better answer for the data entry if you go
>>>> forward with this. Single clicking of the downgrades would work much
>>>> better. Number entry will inevitably result in a fairly high level of
>>>> incorrect data plus forgetting to push enter in either system will cause
>>>> problems that are unfixable without a bunch of NOs by the judge.
>>>>
>>>> Right now this would appear to be a solution without a problem. Either
>>>> manual entry on paper or direct entry through your phone or other device
>>>> will work just fine until you have a problem. Then it is much easier to
>>>> take the score sheet back to the judge for a correction then it is to take
>>>> a printout that has scores offset because a maneuver is missing. You don't
>>>> think you can get away with having the scoring done automatically without
>>>> realtime result checking by a person at the scoring computer? As long as
>>>> you have to have a person there anyway...
>>>>
>>>> John
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 12/8/2011 10:16 AM, Mark Atwood wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Actually,  I think a better approach if you were going to try this
>>>> would be to use the side buttons and simply click 1/2 pt downgrades and
>>>> enter.    So you'd truly NEVER have to look away from the plane.  1/2 pt
>>>> granularity would require you to wait until you saw a full half point of
>>>> infraction before clicking but it would be pretty easy to click off points
>>>> here and there as you went along.  It would also align better with our
>>>> judging guidlines to truly be judging downgrades, rather than assigning a
>>>> final score to each manuever.
>>>>
>>>>   *Mark Atwood*****
>>>> *Paragon Consulting, Inc.*  *|*  President****
>>>> 5885 Landerbrook Drive Suite 130, Cleveland Ohio, 44124 ****
>>>> Phone: 440.684.3101 x102  *|*  Fax: 440.684.3102****
>>>> mark.atwood at paragon-inc.com  *|*  www.paragon-inc.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  On Dec 8, 2011, at 10:54 AM, Peter Vogel wrote:
>>>>
>>>>  Exactly. With 12 finger size buttons and an 'enter'.  0-10 and a .5
>>>> button.  Very quick and hitting enter finalizes. Enter with no score button
>>>> is Not Observed and then at the end you review the scoresheet, make any
>>>> corrections you want and hit enter one more time.  Arresti at the bottom
>>>> for reference.
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone4S
>>>>
>>>> On Dec 8, 2011, at 5:12 AM, Keith Hoard <khoard at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>  Bob,
>>>>
>>>>     I've been thinking of just this system for a couple years now.  If
>>>> you were using a smart phone, you could hold it up near your line of sight
>>>> during the flight and tap in your score without taking your eyes off the
>>>> plane.  Perhaps even a graphic of the maneuver for quick reference?
>>>>
>>>> Keith Hoard
>>>> Collierville, TN
>>>> khoard at gmail.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 7:08 AM, Bob Kane <getterflash at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>  All of the sites I hit on the pattern circuit here in D4-D5 have
>>>>> cellular service, most are near large metro areas so 3G should be avaliable
>>>>> also.
>>>>>
>>>>> I would be a little concerned about the ability to punch in a score on
>>>>> a screen (even if i was a single "button") especailly in the event of a
>>>>> mistake. A judge could be distracted trying to correct a score. A
>>>>> pencil/paper system is hard to beat for ease of use and quick error
>>>>> correction.
>>>>>
>>>>> Bob Kane
>>>>> getterflash at yahoo.com
>>>>>     *From:* Peter Vogel <vogel.peter at gmail.com>
>>>>> *To:* General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, December 8, 2011 3:05 AM
>>>>>
>>>>> *Subject:* [NSRCA-discussion] Quick question re: cellular data
>>>>> service at the fields where you compete
>>>>>
>>>>> I've been thinking about a "better way" to get scores into a system
>>>>> like PACSS, given the general ubiquity of smart phones and the overall tech
>>>>> savvy among the pattern crowd, I believe it should be possible for a judge
>>>>> or scribe to very quickly enter scores for each maneuver into an iOS or
>>>>> Android phone or tablet communicating via the cellular data network
>>>>> (typical data is so small as to be VERY lightweight on data usage, so even
>>>>> Edge data services would be quick enough to record scores) the interface
>>>>> would be designed for very fast entry of a score (two taps per maneuver
>>>>> scored) with the interface optimized for the screen size of phone or
>>>>> tablet.
>>>>>
>>>>>  Here in California, I have yet to visit a field where I didn't have
>>>>> 3G data service, but I realize California can be an outlier in such
>>>>> matters.
>>>>>
>>>>>  So, of the fields where you have competed in the last year, how many
>>>>> had 3G data service?  Edge? and No Data service?
>>>>>
>>>>>  How many of you have a smart phone and/or tablet?
>>>>>
>>>>>  Thanks!
>>>>> Peter+
>>>>>
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