[NSRCA-discussion] Quick question re: cellular data service at the fields where you compete

Thu Dec 8 09:06:35 AKST 2011

I think Mark has a much better answer for the data entry if you go 
forward with this. Single clicking of the downgrades would work much 
better. Number entry will inevitably result in a fairly high level of 
incorrect data plus forgetting to push enter in either system will cause 
problems that are unfixable without a bunch of NOs by the judge.

Right now this would appear to be a solution without a problem. Either 
manual entry on paper or direct entry through your phone or other device 
will work just fine until you have a problem. Then it is much easier to 
take the score sheet back to the judge for a correction then it is to 
take a printout that has scores offset because a maneuver is missing. 
You don't think you can get away with having the scoring done 
automatically without realtime result checking by a person at the 
scoring computer? As long as you have to have a person there anyway...

John

On 12/8/2011 10:16 AM, Mark Atwood wrote:
> Actually,  I think a better approach if you were going to try this 
> would be to use the side buttons and simply click 1/2 pt downgrades 
> and enter.    So you'd truly NEVER have to look away from the plane. 
>  1/2 pt granularity would require you to wait until you saw a full 
> half point of infraction before clicking but it would be pretty easy 
> to click off points here and there as you went along.  It would also 
> align better with our judging guidlines to truly be judging 
> downgrades, rather than assigning a final score to each manuever.
>
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> On Dec 8, 2011, at 10:54 AM, Peter Vogel wrote:
>
> Exactly. With 12 finger size buttons and an 'enter'.  0-10 and a .5 
> button.  Very quick and hitting enter finalizes. Enter with no score 
> button is Not Observed and then at the end you review the scoresheet, 
> make any corrections you want and hit enter one more time.  Arresti at 
> the bottom for reference.
>
> Sent from my iPhone4S
>
> On Dec 8, 2011, at 5:12 AM, Keith Hoard <khoard at gmail.com 
> <mailto:khoard at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>> Bob,
>>
>>     I've been thinking of just this system for a couple years now.  
>> If you were using a smart phone, you could hold it up near your line 
>> of sight during the flight and tap in your score without taking your 
>> eyes off the plane.  Perhaps even a graphic of the maneuver for quick 
>> reference?
>>
>> Keith Hoard
>> Collierville, TN
>> khoard at gmail.com <mailto:khoard at gmail.com>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 7:08 AM, Bob Kane <getterflash at yahoo.com 
>> <mailto:getterflash at yahoo.com>> wrote:
>>
>>     All of the sites I hit on the pattern circuit here in D4-D5 have
>>     cellular service, most are near large metro areas so 3G should be
>>     avaliable also.
>>     I would be a little concerned about the ability to punch in a
>>     score on a screen (even if i was a single "button") especailly in
>>     the event of a mistake. A judge could be distracted trying to
>>     correct a score. A pencil/paper system is hard to beat for ease
>>     of use and quick error correction.
>>     Bob Kane
>>     getterflash at yahoo.com <mailto:getterflash at yahoo.com>
>>     *From:* Peter Vogel <vogel.peter at gmail.com
>>     <mailto:vogel.peter at gmail.com>>
>>     *To:* General pattern discussion
>>     <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
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>>     *Sent:* Thursday, December 8, 2011 3:05 AM
>>
>>     *Subject:* [NSRCA-discussion] Quick question re: cellular data
>>     service at the fields where you compete
>>
>>     I've been thinking about a "better way" to get scores into a
>>     system like PACSS, given the general ubiquity of smart phones and
>>     the overall tech savvy among the pattern crowd, I believe it
>>     should be possible for a judge or scribe to very quickly enter
>>     scores for each maneuver into an iOS or Android phone or tablet
>>     communicating via the cellular data network (typical data is so
>>     small as to be VERY lightweight on data usage, so even Edge data
>>     services would be quick enough to record scores) the interface
>>     would be designed for very fast entry of a score (two taps per
>>     maneuver scored) with the interface optimized for the screen size
>>     of phone or tablet.
>>
>>     Here in California, I have yet to visit a field where I didn't
>>     have 3G data service, but I realize California can be an outlier
>>     in such matters.
>>
>>     So, of the fields where you have competed in the last year, how
>>     many had 3G data service?  Edge? and No Data service?
>>
>>     How many of you have a smart phone and/or tablet?
>>
>>     Thanks!
>>     Peter+
>>
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