[NSRCA-discussion] FW: Proposed NSRCA sequences for 2011 and beyond

[John Gayer]

  That makes no sense. Every other country has resolved the issue of 
having their own internal classes and then finally advancing their best 
pilots to F3A. Just because the maneuvers are selected by an 
international committee on which we are represented is not a reason to 
preclude F3A from an advancement process. We only have Turnaround 
pattern in this country because the FAI led the way and we decided to 
follow rather than go the way of the dodo.
 From my point of view, ALL the lower classes and maneuvers are selected 
by someone else(the sequence committee). For F3A that committe is 
international. So what?

John Gayer
NSRCA 632

On 9/24/2010 8:36 AM, Dave wrote:
>
> I believe the practical perspective is that FAI-F3A is an AMA class, 
> but it does not run in accordance with AMA rules (except where FAI is 
> silent), and AMA has virtually no control over F3A.  Given AMA has no 
> control over F3A, that is a key point in not requiring advancement to 
> F3A from Masters.
>
> Regards,
>
> Dave Lockhart
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> *From:* nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org 
> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] *On Behalf Of *Gene 
> Maurice
> *Sent:* Friday, September 24, 2010 8:18 AM
> *To:* 'General pattern discussion'
> *Subject:* Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Proposed NSRCA sequences for 2011 
> and beyond
>
> Sorry, FAI is an AMA class, 406,  it's only that the Sporting Code 
> supersedes, doesn't replace, the AMA rule book and the exemption from 
> advancement. >From the 2009-2010 rule book:
>
> RADIO CONTROL PATTERN
>
> For events 401, 402, 403, 404, 406.
>
> 7. Pattern event classes: The Pattern event shall
>
> be divided into five (5) classes. The first four (4
>
> shall (in order of increasing difficulty) be
>
> referred to as Sportsman, Intermediate,
>
> Advanced, and Masters. The fifth class shall be
>
> referred to as the FAI class. The Sportsman class
>
> is supplemental (see Supplemental and
>
> Provisional Rules, page 2). Competitors must be
>
> advised prior to the start of the contest of any
>
> planned deviations from standard AMA rules
>
> pertaining to the events they have entered.
>
> 19. FAI Pattern Maneuvers: The FAI class
>
> shall fly according to the current FAI RC
>
> Aerobatics (F3A) rules. The noise limit shall be
>
> the current noise limit used in AMA competition
>
> for classes 401-404, except in the case of a USA
>
> Team Selection contest, where the noise limit
>
> shall be the current FAI noise rule. The builder-
>
> of-the-model rule, if any, shall not be enforced.
>
> The AMA Competition Regulations will be
>
> applied when the FAI Sporting Code is silent on,
>
> or does not provide guidance concerning the
>
> conduct or rules of the FAI - F3A events.
>
>   8.2.5: There is no mandatory
>
> advancement into FAI from the Masters class.
>
> Contestants may enter their current AMA class
>
> or the FAI class at any contest but not both.
>
> Gene Maurice
>
> gene.maurice at sgmservice.com
>
> Dallas, GA
>
> AMA 3408
>
> NSRCA 877
>
> PACSS.sgmservice.com
>
> *From:* nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org 
> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] *On Behalf Of *Dave 
> Harmon
> *Sent:* Friday, September 24, 2010 12:19 AM
> *To:* 'General pattern discussion'
> *Subject:* Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Proposed NSRCA sequences for 2011 
> and beyond
>
> Hi Vince....well....FAI/F3A is not an AMA class.....Masters and below 
> ARE....so...FAI/F3A cannot be a destination class for an AMA event.
>
> *Dave Harmon*
>
> *NSRCA 586*
>
> *K6XYZ[at]sbcglobal[dot]net*
>
> *Sperry, Ok.*
>
> *From:* nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org 
> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] *On Behalf Of 
> *Vicente "Vince" Bortone
> *Sent:* Thursday, September 23, 2010 9:24 PM
> *To:* General pattern discussion
> *Subject:* Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Proposed NSRCA sequences for 2011 
> and beyond
>
> I think that making FAI-F3A destination class will be easier natural 
> solution.  How we are going to organize local contests having one 
> additional class?
>
> Vicente "Vince" Bortone
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dave Harmon" <k6xyz at sbcglobal.net>
> To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2010 7:12:00 PM
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Proposed NSRCA sequences for 2011 and 
> beyond
>
> >> time because the new class would
>
> be populated from the other classes....like Masters and Intermediate.<<<
>
> arrrrgghhh......I meant Advanced......another class between Advanced 
> and Masters.
>
> Sorry....
>
> *Dave Harmon*
>
> *NSRCA 586*
>
> *K6XYZ[at]sbcglobal[dot]net*
>
> *Sperry, Ok.*
>
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