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That makes no sense. Every other country has resolved the issue of
having their own internal classes and then finally advancing their
best pilots to F3A. Just because the maneuvers are selected by an
international committee on which we are represented is not a reason
to preclude F3A from an advancement process. We only have Turnaround
pattern in this country because the FAI led the way and we decided
to follow rather than go the way of the dodo.<br>
From my point of view, ALL the lower classes and maneuvers are
selected by someone else(the sequence committee). For F3A that
committe is international. So what?<br>
<br>
John Gayer<br>
NSRCA 632<br>
<br>
On 9/24/2010 8:36 AM, Dave wrote:
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial"
size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family:
Arial; color: navy;">I believe the practical
perspective is
that FAI-F3A is an AMA class, but it does not run
in accordance with AMA rules
(except where FAI is silent), and AMA has
virtually no control over F3A.
Given AMA has no control over F3A, that is a key
point in not requiring
advancement to F3A from Masters.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial"
size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family:
Arial; color: navy;"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial"
size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family:
Arial; color: navy;">Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family:
Arial; color: navy;"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial"
size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family:
Arial; color: navy;">Dave Lockhart<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">On Behalf Of
</span></b>Gene Maurice<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b>
Friday, September 24, 2010
8:18 AM<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b>
'General pattern discussion'<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b>
Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Proposed NSRCA sequences for 2011 and beyond</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d"
face="Calibri" size="2"><span style="font-size:
11pt; font-family: Calibri; color: rgb(31, 73,
125);">Sorry, FAI is an AMA
class, 406, it’s only that the Sporting Code
supersedes,
doesn’t replace, the AMA rule book and the
exemption from advancement.
>From the 2009-2010 rule book:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d"
face="Calibri" size="2"><span style="font-size:
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125);"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d"
face="Calibri" size="2"><span style="font-size:
11pt; font-family: Calibri; color: rgb(31, 73,
125);">RADIO CONTROL
PATTERN <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d"
face="Calibri" size="2"><span style="font-size:
11pt; font-family: Calibri; color: rgb(31, 73,
125);">For events 401, 402,
403, 404, 406. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d"
face="Calibri" size="2"><span style="font-size:
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d"
face="Calibri" size="2"><span style="font-size:
11pt; font-family: Calibri; color: rgb(31, 73,
125);">7. Pattern event
classes: The Pattern event shall<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d"
face="Calibri" size="2"><span style="font-size:
11pt; font-family: Calibri; color: rgb(31, 73,
125);">be divided into five
(5) classes. The first four (4<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d"
face="Calibri" size="2"><span style="font-size:
11pt; font-family: Calibri; color: rgb(31, 73,
125);">shall (in order of
increasing difficulty) be <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d"
face="Calibri" size="2"><span style="font-size:
11pt; font-family: Calibri; color: rgb(31, 73,
125);">referred to as Sportsman,
Intermediate, <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d"
face="Calibri" size="2"><span style="font-size:
11pt; font-family: Calibri; color: rgb(31, 73,
125);">Advanced, and
Masters. The fifth class shall be <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d"
face="Calibri" size="2"><span style="font-size:
11pt; font-family: Calibri; color: rgb(31, 73,
125);">referred to as the
FAI class. The Sportsman class<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d"
face="Calibri" size="2"><span style="font-size:
11pt; font-family: Calibri; color: rgb(31, 73,
125);">is supplemental (see
Supplemental and <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d"
face="Calibri" size="2"><span style="font-size:
11pt; font-family: Calibri; color: rgb(31, 73,
125);">Provisional Rules,
page 2). Competitors must be<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d"
face="Calibri" size="2"><span style="font-size:
11pt; font-family: Calibri; color: rgb(31, 73,
125);">advised prior to the
start of the contest of any <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d"
face="Calibri" size="2"><span style="font-size:
11pt; font-family: Calibri; color: rgb(31, 73,
125);">planned deviations
from standard AMA rules <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d"
face="Calibri" size="2"><span style="font-size:
11pt; font-family: Calibri; color: rgb(31, 73,
125);">pertaining to the
events they have entered. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d"
face="Calibri" size="2"><span style="font-size:
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d"
face="Calibri" size="2"><span style="font-size:
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125);">19. FAI Pattern
Maneuvers: The FAI class <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d"
face="Calibri" size="2"><span style="font-size:
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125);">shall fly according
to the current FAI RC <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d"
face="Calibri" size="2"><span style="font-size:
11pt; font-family: Calibri; color: rgb(31, 73,
125);">Aerobatics (F3A)
rules. The noise limit shall be <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d"
face="Calibri" size="2"><span style="font-size:
11pt; font-family: Calibri; color: rgb(31, 73,
125);">the current noise limit
used in AMA competition <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d"
face="Calibri" size="2"><span style="font-size:
11pt; font-family: Calibri; color: rgb(31, 73,
125);">for classes 401-404,
except in the case of a <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:country-region
w:st="on">USA</st1:country-region></st1:place>
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d"
face="Calibri" size="2"><span style="font-size:
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contest, where the noise limit <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d"
face="Calibri" size="2"><span style="font-size:
11pt; font-family: Calibri; color: rgb(31, 73,
125);">shall be the current
FAI noise rule. The builder-<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d"
face="Calibri" size="2"><span style="font-size:
11pt; font-family: Calibri; color: rgb(31, 73,
125);">of-the-model rule,
if any, shall not be enforced. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d"
face="Calibri" size="2"><span style="font-size:
11pt; font-family: Calibri; color: rgb(31, 73,
125);">The AMA Competition
Regulations will be <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d"
face="Calibri" size="2"><span style="font-size:
11pt; font-family: Calibri; color: rgb(31, 73,
125);">applied when the FAI
Sporting Code is silent on, <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d"
face="Calibri" size="2"><span style="font-size:
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125);">or does not provide
guidance concerning the <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d"
face="Calibri" size="2"><span style="font-size:
11pt; font-family: Calibri; color: rgb(31, 73,
125);">conduct or rules of
the FAI - F3A events. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d"
face="Calibri" size="2"><span style="font-size:
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125);"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d"
face="Calibri" size="2"><span style="font-size:
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125);"> 8.2.5: There
is no mandatory <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d"
face="Calibri" size="2"><span style="font-size:
11pt; font-family: Calibri; color: rgb(31, 73,
125);">advancement into FAI
from the Masters class. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d"
face="Calibri" size="2"><span style="font-size:
11pt; font-family: Calibri; color: rgb(31, 73,
125);">Contestants may
enter their current AMA class <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d"
face="Calibri" size="2"><span style="font-size:
11pt; font-family: Calibri; color: rgb(31, 73,
125);">or the FAI class at
any contest but not both.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d"
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<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">On Behalf
Of </span></b>Dave Harmon<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b>
Friday, September 24, 2010
12:19 AM<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b>
'General pattern discussion'<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b>
Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Proposed NSRCA sequences for 2011 and beyond<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman"
size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d"
face="Calibri" size="2"><span style="font-size:
11pt; font-family: Calibri; color: rgb(31, 73,
125);">Hi
Vince….well….FAI/F3A is not an AMA class…..Masters
and below
ARE….so…FAI/F3A cannot be a destination class for
an AMA event.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family:
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125); font-weight: bold;">K6XYZ[at]sbcglobal[dot]net<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>
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<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">On Behalf
Of </span></b>Vicente "Vince" Bortone<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b>
Thursday, September 23, 2010
9:24 PM<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b>
General pattern discussion<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b>
Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Proposed NSRCA sequences for 2011 and beyond<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p><font color="black" face="Arial" size="3"><span
style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial;
color: black;">I think that making FAI-F3A
destination
class will be easier natural solution. How we
are going to organize local
contests having one additional class?<br>
<br>
Vicente "Vince" Bortone<br>
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----- Original Message -----<br>
From: "Dave Harmon" <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:k6xyz@sbcglobal.net"><k6xyz@sbcglobal.net></a><br>
To: "General pattern discussion"
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"><nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org></a><br>
Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2010 7:12:00 PM<br>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Proposed NSRCA
sequences for 2011 and beyond<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face="Calibri" size="2"><span style="font-size:
11pt; font-family: Calibri; color: rgb(31, 73,
125);">>></span></font><font color="black"><span
style="color: black;"> time because the new
class would <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span
style="font-size: 12pt; color: black;">be
populated from the other classes….like Masters
and
Intermediate.<<<<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style=""><font color="black"
face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span
style="font-size: 12pt; color: black;">arrrrgghhh……I
meant Advanced……another
class between Advanced and Masters.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style=""><font color="black"
face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span
style="font-size: 12pt; color: black;">Sorry….<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;
color: black;"> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;
color: black;"> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face="Comic Sans MS" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family:
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color="black"><span style="color: black;"><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face="Comic Sans MS" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family:
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73, 125); font-weight: bold;">NSRCA 586</span></font></b><font
color="black"><span style="color: black;"><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face="Comic Sans MS" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family:
"Comic Sans MS"; color: rgb(31,
73, 125); font-weight: bold;">K6XYZ[at]sbcglobal[dot]net</span></font></b><font
color="black"><span style="color: black;"><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face="Comic Sans MS" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family:
"Comic Sans MS"; color: rgb(31,
73, 125); font-weight: bold;">Sperry, Ok.</span></font></b><font
color="black"><span style="color: black;"><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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