[NSRCA-discussion] Judge Rank, 2010 F3A and Masters Finals
Ronald Van Putte
vanputte at cox.net
Wed Oct 6 06:00:06 AKDT 2010
I haven't seen a response to Bill's question, so here goes:
For every F3A World Championships, the NSRCA recommends to AMA the
top five NSRCA-ranked judges. The AMA forwards the list to the FAI.
The organizing committee for the F3A WC gets the list passed to them,
from which the U.S. judge is selected. The list of ranked judges
used to be the top three, but one judge, who AMA president at the
time, Dave Brown, wanted to be selected was in fifth place in the
NSRCA rankings, so Brown wrangled with FAI officials to allow
submittal of the top five judges and for them to pick the fifth place
judge. Since then the top five NSRCA-ranked judges have been
submitted to AMA.
Only the guilty need feel offended by this submittal.
Ron Van Putte
On Oct 5, 2010, at 8:24 AM, Bill Glaze wrote:
> Question: Just what gets done with it? (The list) What is the
> effect to be? How will it affect the (any) outcome?
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: rcmaster199 at aol.com
> To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2010 6:26 AM
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Judge Rank, 2010 F3A and Masters
> Finals
>
> Mark and all,
>
> Judge Ranking program doesn't account for one judge seeing a 10 and
> another seeing a zero. From the judge's perspective, each is right.
> The calculations respect each judge's score equally.
>
> One "low" judge can sometimes be on the same panel as 4 "high"
> judges and vice versa. Who is right? That situation will skew the
> data and all judges will be ranked lower than if a panel was more
> consistent.
>
> Any of the rankings I've posted, judges are ranked respective to
> their peers on any given panel, because the whole panel was used to
> place the pilots for any round, officially. Judge Rank doesn't get
> to pick and choose; it plays no favorites.
>
> As RVP, Tony, Don and I have said over the years, this program was
> never cast in stone. If there is a better way, maybe we can improve
> the program.
>
> Regards
>
> MattK
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mark Hunt <flyintexan at att.net>
> To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> Sent: Mon, Oct 4, 2010 10:33 pm
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Judge Rank, 2010 F3A and Masters
> Finals
>
> yes. Nice work. my only beef with judge ranking is..what if the
> minority is getting it right?......how many of the majority really
> downgrade for distance?..;)
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: rcmaster199 at aol.com
> To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> Sent: Monday, October 04, 2010 22:15
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Judge Rank, 2010 F3A and Masters
> Finals
>
> Hey,
>
> Did this get through the frst time??
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rcmaster199 at aol.com
> To: rcmaster199 at aol.com; nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> Sent: Mon, Oct 4, 2010 2:57 pm
> Subject: Judge Rank, 2010 F3A and Masters Finals
>
> Just finished the calculations from 2010 for both F3A and Masters
> Finals. Now I need to edit the website to bring everything to date:
>
> F3A, 2 rounds flown; F11 plus unknown
>
> Dale Arnold Rd 1= 927.2------rd2 = 883.8
> Mark Radcliff Rd1= 870.2------rd2 = 879.5
> Derek Koopowitz Rd 1= 869
> Mike Harrison Rd1= 825.6
> Rusty Dose Rd 1 =806.7
> Mark Atwood Rd 2=914.2
> Bill Ahrens Rd2=837.1
> Tom Miller Rd2=890.1
>
>
> Masters, 3 rounds flown:
>
> Don Ramsey Rd 1= 911.1-----------Rd 2= 873.6
> Tony Romano Rd 1= 904.5-----------Rd 2=899.1
> Ed Alt Rd 1= 893.1-----------Rd 2=811.0
> Carlos Barrera Rd 1= 838.9-----------Rd 2=809.7
> Joe Dunnaway Rd 1= 792.2-----------Rd 2=748.7
>
>
> Round 3
>
> Rick Wallace Rd 3 = 861.9
> RVP Rd 3 = 782.2
> Gary Courtney Rd 3 = 770.7
> John Fuqua Rd 3 = 753.7
> Christopher Moon Rd 3 = 717.8
>
> When we first started to do these calculations some 7 years ago,
> the judges were hard pressed to get an average score in the 900s.
> But now we have had several do that and a couple more than once.
>
> We've actually had a few judges score the Placement part of the
> calculation,1000 points, which means they placed every pilot in the
> correct order per the official score. It has also become clear that
> certain judges consistently score the Scoring part of the
> calculation in the 900's which means they are closer to the average
> score than the other judges. Both of these feats are hard to do
> consistenctly since the judging panels change as much as they do
>
> Kudos to all for your consistency and dilligence
>
> Regards,
>
> MattK
>
>
>
> On Sep 22, 2010, at 10:26 PM, rcmaster199 at aol.com wrote:
>
> > Judge Rankings from the F3A Finals in 2009. Will be calculating
> the > 2010 and posting soon
> >
> >
> > Rounds 1 and 2
> >
> > JFuqua 744.9 805.0
> > BKane 853.8 786.1
> > DRamsey 853.0 871.2
> > RWallace 818.9 845.3
> > CBarrera 799.6 885.2
> >
> >
> > Rounds 3 and 4
> >
> > DArnold 981.2 889.6
> > MAtwood 870.8 895.2
> > ABouchard 848.9 826.2
> > EHaury 912.8 906.7
> > KVelez 904.5 983.2
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > MattK
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: rcmaster199 at aol.com
> > To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> > Sent: Fri, Sep 17, 2010 10:45 pm
> > Subject: Judge Rank, 2009 Masters Final
> >
> > Judge Rankings from 2009 Masters Final. Belated information for >
> inquiring minds; This will be on the NSRCA website at some point, >
> as I complete the assessment:
> >
> > Judge: Scores
> > R Lewis 879.0 875.2
> > G Miller 824.3 804.2
> > J Lowe 720.8 861.4
> > T Romano 778.9 946.0
> > M Hunt 757.1 769.8
> > B Clemmons 903.8 785.1
> > J Dunnaway 783.7 816.8
> > J Lechowski 787.3 843.1
> > RVP 877.2 781.3
> > T Terrenoiser 884.6 866.9
> >
> > Note: First 5 judges judged rounds 1 and 2; the last 5, rounds 3
> and 4
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > MattK
> >
> > =
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