[NSRCA-discussion] Fwd: [TriVillageNews]FW: NOTAM/TFRforChicago, IL - 5/27-31 (Memorial Day Weekend)

Thu May 27 08:28:47 AKDT 2010

Dan, You need to read your own message. It’s the same stuff you want stopped.

From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Dan Curtis
Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 11:36 AM
To: General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Fwd: [TriVillageNews]FW: NOTAM/TFRforChicago, IL - 5/27-31 (Memorial Day Weekend)

Okay, this is getting into politics very quickly.  Many think the current Administration is light years ahead of the one that just sulked out of office so lets drop it now.  Seems we have had politics try to pop up on the list before and it was soundly discouraged, time to due it again.

Dan Curtis

From: Keith Hoard <mailto:khoard at gmail.com>  

Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 9:47 AM

To: General pattern discussion <mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>  

Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Fwd: [TriVillageNews]FW: NOTAM/TFRforChicago, IL - 5/27-31 (Memorial Day Weekend)

Shouldn't the Commander-in-Chief be somewhere else this MEMORIAL DAY WEEKEND. . . like in Arlington remembering the Troops?

On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 9:34 AM, Richard Strickland <pamrich47 at hotmail.com> wrote:

Actually it would seem the only RC activities they need to worry about are those at NON AMA sanctioned sites...
Anyone who shows up with any kind of UAV looking thing is going to be surrounded by nine guys wanting to know what makes it tick, who the guy is, does he have a permit, where's he live, what's his AMA No., etc.  

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From: tony at radiosouthrc.com
To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org

Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 10:18:37 -0400 

Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Fwd: [TriVillageNews]FW: NOTAM/TFRfor Chicago, IL - 5/27-31 (Memorial Day Weekend)

You are probably correct.  But if someone is caught flying, it could be a disaster for modeling if the news people jump all over us not obeying laws with RC airplanes that could be used as a weapon.  What AMA argues is that this normal flying activity goes on daily on known AMA sanctioned club fields all over the country.  We don’t have models that leave the flying site (at least, not on purpose!) and we are NOT a threat to National Security.   Logic is not a strong point of the US Government….

Tony Stillman, President

Radio South, Inc.

139 Altama Connector, Box 322

Brunswick, GA  31525

1-800-962-7802

www.radiosouthrc.com

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From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Richard Strickland
Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 10:03 AM
To: NSRCA
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Fwd: [TriVillageNews]FW: NOTAM/TFRfor Chicago, IL - 5/27-31 (Memorial Day Weekend)

But seriously, what about the 'every once in a while' guy, the fellow/gal who's got their own field on a farm, park fliers, etc. that don't have the slightest idea they are now flying in restricted airspace?  As a practical matter, I don't see it as enforceable.
RS

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From: tony at radiosouthrc.com
To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 09:33:44 -0400
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Fwd: [TriVillageNews] FW: NOTAM/TFRfor Chicago, IL - 5/27-31 (Memorial Day Weekend)

They would probably treat you just like they would if a guy walked into the White House with a gun….  “Hey, I didn’t know I couldn’t bring my .45 to show President Obama”…   

Tony Stillman, President

Radio South, Inc.

139 Altama Connector, Box 322

Brunswick, GA  31525

1-800-962-7802

www.radiosouthrc.com

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From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Richard Strickland
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 5:15 PM
To: NSRCA
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Fwd: [TriVillageNews] FW: NOTAM/TFRfor Chicago, IL - 5/27-31 (Memorial Day Weekend)

What happens if you play dumb and use the field anyway?
"Ah, SIR, what's a NOTAM?!"  They'd probably see me on radar as I got enamored with my M uplines...
RS

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Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 13:43:21 -0700
From: mups1953 at yahoo.com
To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Fwd: [TriVillageNews] FW: NOTAM/TFR for Chicago, IL - 5/27-31 (Memorial Day Weekend)

 Hey Tony thank god we have the AMA. I'm really proud to be a member. It's a fantastic organization and does so much to serve its members mostly with volunteers. We all need to truly understand what it does and has done for all of us.

 Hopefully common sense will prevail and this dumb practice will stop. Till then for the sake of my life haha I'll refrain from flying during a notam. MIke

--- On Wed, 5/26/10, Tony <tony at radiosouthrc.com> wrote:

From: Tony <tony at radiosouthrc.com>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Fwd: [TriVillageNews] FW: NOTAM/TFR for Chicago, IL - 5/27-31 (Memorial Day Weekend)
To: "'General pattern discussion'" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Date: Wednesday, May 26, 2010, 2:29 PM

Yeah, it is a real pain!  Our AMA Governmental Affairs Rep Rich Hansen has been working for over a year now trying to get approval for exceptions for us model aircraft users, but our US Government (Secret Service, Homeland Security) is hard to convince.  They actually have verbiage in the rules that says they are approved for “use of deadly force” on any found not complying with the NOTAM!  

AMA is continuing to work on it.  Just thought you might want to know that it has not gone un-noticed.  

Tony Stillman, President

Radio South, Inc. 

139 Altama Connector, Box 322 

Brunswick, GA   31525 

1-800-962-7802 

www.radiosouthrc.com 

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From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of mike mueller
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 3:22 PM
To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Fwd: [TriVillageNews] FW: NOTAM/TFR for Chicago , IL - 5/27-31 (Memorial Day Weekend)

 Guys talk about something that stinks.

 The President is spending the weekend plus in Chicago .

 We are shut down during his entire stay. Why they couldn't just shut us down when he's coming and leaving is beyond reason.

 So from Thursday at 7pm CST to 5PM Monday we are not allowed to use our field because it's within 30 miles of Ohare. 5 days!!!!!

 So much for getting ready for the Shootout on the 4th of June.

 Hmmm  what to do this weekend????? Suggestions anyone????

 By the way Rusty's big Vintage pattern event is just outside the zone and it won't be affected. Mike

--- On Wed, 5/26/10, mups53 at aol.com <mups53 at aol.com> wrote:

From: mups53 at aol.com <mups53 at aol.com>
Subject: Fwd: [TriVillageNews] FW: NOTAM/TFR for Chicago , IL - 5/27-31 (Memorial Day Weekend)
To: mups1953 at yahoo.com
Date: Wednesday, May 26, 2010, 2:13 PM 

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Sent: Wed, May 26, 2010 2:04 pm
Subject: [TriVillageNews] FW: NOTAM/TFR for Chicago , IL - 5/27-31 (Memorial Day Weekend)

After considerable checking and rechecking the millage and the notes in the TFR, we have determined that our field does fall within the 30 nmr TFR. Our field is 25 nm from the center of TFR 1967.

TFR 1967 specifically states Model Aircraft Operations are not authorized within the TFR. Therefore we are not permitted to fly at the field from 7:01 PM CDT on Thursday May 27th through 5:30 PM CDT on Monday May 31st.

Unfortunately we have no recourse on this. 

I'm sorry to be the bearer of bad news.

Dave Picek

From: AMA Webmaster [mailto:webmaster@ <http://us.mc510.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=webmaster@&>  modelaircraft. org] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2010 7:49 PM
To: Gary D Stephens
Subject: NOTAM/TFR for Chicago , IL - 5/27-31 (Memorial Day Weekend)

A new FDC NOTAM/TFR has been issued for the greater Chicago , IL area beginning at 7:01p on Thursday, 5/27, and lasting until 5:30p CDT on Monday, 5/31. The TFR is issued for security purposes to cover VIP movement in this area. Model aircraft operations are prohibited in this area during the specific times of the TFR. Please note that TFRs are subject to change with very short notice. Check back often for the most current NOTAM/TFR information. 

Timely alerts are also available on the web or on you cell phone at: Twitter.com/ amagov <http://twitter.com/amagov> .

See the links to the TFRs below for more detailed information regarding the restrictions:

*	Area 1 (5/27, 7:01p - 5/31, 5:30p CDT)
(30nm radius from Latitude: 41º54'14"N, Longitude: 87º37'58"W) 
*	Area 2 (5/27, 7:01p - 8:15p CDT)
(10nm radius from Latitude: 41º59'16"N, Longitude: 87º54'18"W) 
*	Area 3 (5/27, 7:01p - 5/31, 5:30p CDT)
(10nm radius from Latitude: 41º54'14"N, Longitude: 87º37'58"W) 

TFR - 0/1967 <http://tfr.faa.gov/save_pages/detail_0_1967.html> 

TFR - 0/1968 <http://tfr.faa.gov/save_pages/detail_0_1968.html> 

Map <http://02b954f.netsolhost.com/amatfr8.html>  View of the Affected Area

Regards
Gregory Hahn
Technical Director
AMA

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