[NSRCA-discussion] My experience with the AMA TFR NOTAM notification

Thu May 27 07:52:17 AKDT 2010

I signed up some time ago.
There aren't any clubs nearby that I belong to so all AMA had was my
house address.
A few weeks ago the president visited the area, including Mt Pleasant believe it or not.
The TFR area was kind of rolling as he traveled from east to west.  In our case it didn't 
cover everywhere he was every day.  To my surprise I got the notification from AMA.
It was a beautiful day and where I fly is about 2 miles off paved road thru rolling country.
I saved flying for another day.
:-)
Anyway, the AMA thing works very well.
Worth signing up for.
JLK

From: tony at radiosouthrc.com
To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 11:46:05 -0400
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Fwd: [TriVillageNews]FW: NOTAM/TFRforChicago,	IL - 5/27-31 (Memorial Day Weekend)

The people living in Louisiana think BOTH of them suck!

Tony Stillman, President

Radio South, Inc.

139 Altama Connector, Box 322

Brunswick, GA  31525

1-800-962-7802

www.radiosouthrc.com

From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Dan Curtis

Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 11:36
AM

To: General
 pattern discussion

Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Fwd: [TriVillageNews]FW: NOTAM/TFRforChicago,IL - 5/27-31 (Memorial Day
Weekend)

Okay, this is getting into politics very quickly. 
Many think the current Administration is light years ahead of the one that just
sulked out of office so lets drop it now.  Seems we have had politics try to
pop up on the list before and it was soundly discouraged, time to due it again.

Dan Curtis

From: Keith Hoard 

Sent: Thursday,
May 27, 2010 9:47 AM

To: General pattern discussion 

Subject: Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] Fwd: [TriVillageNews]FW: NOTAM/TFRforChicago, IL - 5/27-31
(Memorial Day Weekend)

Shouldn't the
Commander-in-Chief be somewhere else this MEMORIAL DAY WEEKEND. . . like in Arlington remembering the
Troops?

On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 9:34 AM, Richard Strickland <pamrich47 at hotmail.com> wrote:

Actually it would seem the only RC activities they need to worry about
are those at NON AMA sanctioned
sites...

Anyone who shows up with any kind of UAV looking thing is going to be
surrounded by nine guys wanting to know what makes it tick, who the guy is,
does he have a permit, where's he live, what's his AMA No., etc.  

From: tony at radiosouthrc.com

To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org

Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 10:18:37 -0400 

Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Fwd: [TriVillageNews]FW: NOTAM/TFRfor Chicago,
IL - 5/27-31 (Memorial Day Weekend)

You are probably correct.  But if someone is caught
flying, it could be a disaster for modeling if the news people jump all over us
not obeying laws with RC airplanes that could be used as a weapon.  What
AMA argues is that this normal flying activity goes on daily on known AMA
sanctioned club fields all over the country.  We don’t have models that
leave the flying site (at least, not on purpose!) and we are NOT a threat to
National Security.   Logic is not a strong point of the US Government….

Tony Stillman, President

Radio South, Inc.

139 Altama Connector, Box 322

Brunswick, GA  31525

1-800-962-7802

www.radiosouthrc.com

From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Richard Strickland

Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 10:03
AM

To: NSRCA

Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Fwd: [TriVillageNews]FW: NOTAM/TFRfor Chicago, IL - 5/27-31 (Memorial Day
Weekend)

But
seriously, what about the 'every once in a while' guy, the fellow/gal who's got
their own field on a farm, park fliers, etc. that don't have the slightest idea
they are now flying in restricted airspace?  As a practical matter, I
don't see it as enforceable.

RS

From: tony at radiosouthrc.com

To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org

Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 09:33:44 -0400

Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Fwd: [TriVillageNews] FW: NOTAM/TFRfor Chicago,
IL - 5/27-31 (Memorial Day Weekend)

They would probably treat you just like they would if a guy
walked into the White House with a gun….  “Hey, I didn’t know I couldn’t
bring my .45 to show President Obama”…   

Tony Stillman, President

Radio South, Inc.

139 Altama Connector, Box 322

Brunswick, GA  31525

1-800-962-7802

www.radiosouthrc.com

From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Richard Strickland

Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 5:15
PM

To: NSRCA

Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Fwd: [TriVillageNews] FW: NOTAM/TFRfor Chicago, IL - 5/27-31 (Memorial Day
Weekend)

What
happens if you play dumb and use the field anyway?

"Ah, SIR, what's a NOTAM?!"  They'd probably see me on
radar as I got enamored with my M uplines...

RS

Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 13:43:21
-0700

From: mups1953 at yahoo.com

To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org

Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Fwd: [TriVillageNews] FW: NOTAM/TFR for Chicago, IL
- 5/27-31 (Memorial Day Weekend)

   Hey
  Tony thank god we have the AMA. I'm really proud to be a member.
  It's a fantastic organization and does so much to serve its members mostly
  with volunteers. We all need to truly understand what it does and has
  done for all of us.

   Hopefully
  common sense will prevail and this dumb practice will stop. Till then for the
  sake of my life haha I'll refrain from flying during a notam. MIke

  --- On Wed, 5/26/10, Tony <tony at radiosouthrc.com> wrote:

  From: Tony <tony at radiosouthrc.com>

  Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Fwd: [TriVillageNews] FW: NOTAM/TFR for Chicago, IL
  - 5/27-31 (Memorial Day Weekend)

  To: "'General pattern discussion'"
  <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>

  Date: Wednesday, May 26, 2010, 2:29 PM

  Yeah, it is a real pain!  Our AMA
  Governmental Affairs Rep Rich Hansen has been working for over a year now
  trying to get approval for exceptions for us model aircraft users, but our US
  Government (Secret Service, Homeland Security) is hard to convince. 
  They actually have verbiage in the rules that says they are approved for “use
  of deadly force” on any found not complying with the NOTAM!  

  AMA is continuing to work on it.  Just
  thought you might want to know that it has not gone un-noticed.  

  Tony Stillman, President

  Radio South, Inc. 

  139 Altama Connector, Box 322 

  Brunswick, GA   31525 

  1-800-962-7802 

  www.radiosouthrc.com 

  From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
  [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of mike mueller

  Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010
  3:22 PM

  To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org

  Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Fwd:
  [TriVillageNews] FW: NOTAM/TFR for Chicago
   , IL - 5/27-31 (Memorial Day
  Weekend)

     Guys
    talk about something that stinks.

     The
    President is spending the weekend plus in Chicago .

     We
    are shut down during his entire stay. Why they couldn't just shut us down
    when he's coming and leaving is beyond reason.

     So
    from Thursday at 7pm CST to 5PM Monday we are not allowed to use our field
    because it's within 30 miles of Ohare. 5 days!!!!!

     So
    much for getting ready for the Shootout on the 4th of June.

     Hmmm 
    what to do this weekend????? Suggestions anyone????

     By
    the way Rusty's big Vintage pattern event is just outside the zone and it
    won't be affected. Mike

    --- On Wed, 5/26/10, mups53 at aol.com <mups53 at aol.com> wrote:

    From: mups53 at aol.com
    <mups53 at aol.com>

    Subject: Fwd: [TriVillageNews] FW: NOTAM/TFR for Chicago , IL
    - 5/27-31 (Memorial Day Weekend)

    To: mups1953 at yahoo.com

    Date: Wednesday, May 26, 2010, 2:13 PM 

    -----Original
    Message-----

    From: rf222 at sbcglobal.net

    To: trivillagenews at yahoogroups.com

    Sent: Wed, May 26, 2010 2:04 pm

    Subject: [TriVillageNews] FW: NOTAM/TFR for Chicago , IL
    - 5/27-31 (Memorial Day Weekend)

      After
      considerable checking and rechecking the millage and the notes in the
      TFR, we have determined that our field does fall within the 30 nmr TFR.
      Our field is 25 nm from the center of TFR 1967.

      TFR
      1967 specifically states Model Aircraft Operations are not authorized
      within the TFR. Therefore we are not permitted to fly at the field
      from 7:01 PM CDT on Thursday May 27th through 5:30 PM CDT on Monday May
      31st.

      Unfortunately
      we have no recourse on this. 

      I'm
      sorry to be the bearer of bad news.

      Dave
      Picek

      From: AMA Webmaster [mailto:webmaster@ modelaircraft. org] 

      Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2010
      7:49 PM

      To: Gary D Stephens

      Subject: NOTAM/TFR for Chicago , IL
      - 5/27-31 (Memorial Day Weekend)

      A
      new FDC NOTAM/TFR has been issued for the greater Chicago , IL
      area beginning at 7:01p on Thursday, 5/27, and lasting until 5:30p CDT on
      Monday, 5/31. The TFR is issued for security purposes to cover VIP
      movement in this area. Model aircraft operations are prohibited in this
      area during the specific times of the TFR. Please note that TFRs are
      subject to change with very short notice. Check back often for the most
      current NOTAM/TFR information. 

      Timely alerts are also available on the web or on you cell phone at: Twitter.com/ amagov.

      See
      the links to the TFRs below for more detailed information regarding the
      restrictions:

       Area 1 (5/27, 7:01p - 5/31, 5:30p CDT)

           (30nm radius from Latitude: 41º54'14"N, Longitude:
           87º37'58"W) 
       Area 2 (5/27, 7:01p - 8:15p CDT)

           (10nm radius from Latitude: 41º59'16"N, Longitude:
           87º54'18"W) 
       Area 3 (5/27, 7:01p - 5/31, 5:30p CDT)

           (10nm radius from Latitude: 41º54'14"N, Longitude:
           87º37'58"W) 

      TFR
      - 0/1967

      TFR
      - 0/1968

      Map
      View of the Affected Area

      Regards

      Gregory Hahn

      Technical Director

      AMA

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