[NSRCA-discussion] Weight rule, was PACSS Upgrade

Wed Jan 6 15:41:17 AKST 2010

Ron,

You have GOT TO BE KIdding. What idi....ahem, fellow pilot would make such a request?

Phew!!!! I am glad i WON'T BE IN THE WINNERS CIRCLE ANY TIME SOON. I would break that scale since I weigh juuuuust a little over 6 kilos

Matt

-----Original Message-----
From: Ronald Van Putte <vanputte at cox.net>
To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Wed, Jan 6, 2010 7:34 pm
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Weight rule, was PACSS Upgrade

You never know what's going to happen.  For the past several years I brought a 6 KG digital scale to the Nats so John Fuqua and I could assist Dave Guerin in weighing potential trophy winners.  In 2009 I was asked when my scales were last calibrated and to show the certification papers for my calibration weights.  I won't be volunteering in 2010.

Ron

On Jan 6, 2010, at 5:17 PM, John Gayer wrote:

That's partially what the 0.5 Kg tolerance is for. How long does it take to weigh a plane casually? If the numbers are posted, then there is another data point. If you see a plane and like the way it flies, you can check the weight. I expect it will be a light airplane and you will get positive enforcement that "light is good". This is an important lesson for those starting out in pattern. Also, if someone is flying the same plane as I am but it's 1/2 pound lighter, I am sure going to be peppering him with questions about how he did it.

It wouldn't take any longer to weigh planes than it does to take photos for the plaques. In fact, both could be done at once with minimum time penalty.
Don't you have a scale that's good to an ounce or two that you could bring to a local contest? I do.

John

Dave Burton wrote: 

How many CDs have access to accurate scales to weigh at local contest? How many that are running contest with a minimum of help would want to weigh planes in a good environment with accurate scales in addition to all the other tasks they have to keep up with? It’s not a bad thing that planes are never weighed or measured at local contest.
Dave Burton

From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of John Gayer
Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 5:06 PM
To: General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Weight rule, was PACSS Upgrade

I'll bet there are a lot of planes flying in contests that are easily a pound overweight. I can't see anyone designing planes to add a pound.
Our current planes may be pigs at 5.5Kg, I agree but some of the older designs flown in lower classes that have more wing area are probably fine.
I don't see much point in playing with 2 ounce increments at 2 year intervals. I definitely could not support removal of the weight criteria. Raising the limit by a pound and then weighing at local contests has a certain appeal. One way to do it would be to leave the weight at 5 Kg and then raise the tolerance to 0.5 Kg and weigh everything in sight.

John

Joe Lachowski wrote: 
5.5 kilos is a flying pig in my book. I bet most planes there are very close to 5 kilos anyway to be competititive.

I prefer our current requirements, but could be persuaded to add 2 maybe 3 ozs tops in our national classes to help people save a couple of bucks. Anything more might open up a can of worms. I can support 2 ozs to see what it gains us and then reevaluate in two years. There are some out there who want to make a significantly larger jump up. I think small increments at a time is a much wiser approach. 

Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 13:47:21 -0700
From: jgghome at comcast.net
To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Weight rule, was PACSS Upgrade

Just to fan the flames a bit on the weight rule, I've been going over the French rulebook for pattern and they have a weight limit of 5.5 kilos for their national classes, both electric and fuel, weighed empty with a tolerance of 1%.

John

Bob Kane wrote: 
Speaking of weight rule, maybe we should immortalize Ron by inventing a new parameter called the Van Putte Equivalent. It would be how much weight can be added to the upper limit of an electric pattern aircraft.  It would be loosely based on battery capacity, motor watts, maximum continuous controller current, and the speed of Ron at full gallop in a vacuum. 

Bob Kane
getterflash at yahoo.com

--- On Wed, 1/6/10, Ronald Van Putte <vanputte at cox.net> wrote:

From: Ronald Van Putte <vanputte at cox.net>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] PACSS Upgrade
To: mklein25 at roadrunner.com, "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Date: Wednesday, January 6, 2010, 2:20 PM
OK, I am a marathoner, but SOME of
you whippersnackers might be able  
to beat me.  Most are afraid to find out, because
being whipped in a  
long race by an old guy would be humiliating.

Mike - I am also an engineer and I want a piece of the
design action  
on your large hamster charging wheel project.

Have we taken everyones' eyes off the airplane weight rule
change  
long enough yet?

RVP

On Jan 6, 2010, at 12:58 PM, mklein25 at roadrunner.com
wrote:

That's great news Tony!  Given my Jewish

heritage, I have been  

trying to find a less expensive way to charge

batteries.  I have  

been designing a large hamster wheel to generate

power, but have  

been looking for someone with the stamina to run in

the wheel.   

Looks like RVP is my man!  Lord knows my fat self

wouldn't get but  

a couple mah in a pack and I'd be dialing 911.

Give RVP his due.  That man is fit as a

fiddle.  I sure as heck am  

not going to take him up on his challenge.

RVP, how tall are you so I can make sure the hamster

wheel is  

comfortable?
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: "Tony" <tony at radiosouthrc.com>
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 13:49:11
To: 'General pattern discussion'<nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] PACSS Upgrade

No, RVP is a Marathoner.....  I wouldn't

challenge him!

Tony Stillman, President
Radio South, Inc.
139 Altama Connector, Box 322
Brunswick, GA  31525
1-800-962-7802
www.radiosouthrc.com

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On Behalf Of  

Atwood, Mark
Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 1:29 PM
To: General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] PACSS Upgrade

Careful guys... he's probably setting us up.  He

probably knows a  

short cut,
having seen that path before there was dirt...

Mark Atwood
Paragon Consulting, Inc.  |  President
5885 Landerbrook Drive Suite 130, Cleveland Ohio,

44124

Phone: 440.684.3101 x102  |  Fax:

440.684.3102

mark.atwood at paragon-inc.com 

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On Behalf Of Ron  

Van Putte
Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 11:17 AM
To: General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] PACSS Upgrade

Any participants in this discussion who comment

negatively on RVP's

ancientness and show up at the 2010 Nats will be

challenged to a foot

race from the Farm House porch to the Site 4 scoring

trailer and back.

RVP

On Jan 5, 2010, at 10:00 PM, Stuart Chale wrote:

Ed I was trying to make sense of your humor. 

Couldn't figure it

out.  Thought it might have been a response

about RVP?

Stuart

Ed Alt wrote:

Argh - replied to the wrong message  -

sorry!

From: Ed Alt
Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 8:17 PM
To: 'General pattern discussion'
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] PACSS Upgrade

Something that old is filled with dried up

capacitors in the power

supply.  When they dry up, nothing is

likely to work

From: Gene Maurice
Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 11:57 AM
To: 'General pattern discussion'
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] PACSS Upgrade

John,

401 thru 409 are just identifiers that are

used as the key to the

class / schedule data, it just happen to be

the AMA class /

schedule numbers. Go figure. You can make

those identifiers

anything you want, at Contest Setup it asks

you to "Name" the

classes. You can also assign any schedule to

any class in your

contest. The way the system works today is

that by default it

assigns the AMA / FAI schedules in effect as

of the date of the

contest.

Currently the key to the schedules is the

ID  mentioned above and

the schedule effective date. You can create a

new schedule without

deleting the AMA schedule by simply assigning

a different

effective date and then change the schedule

assigned to the class

in Contest Setup.  Part of the upgrade

will be to add and

Organization identifier, ie. AMA, SPA, GBRCAA,

MAAC, etc.. in

addition then it can default to the schedule

in effect for that

organization but still allow you to select and

assign any schedule.

Every release of PACSS has included a file

conversion program that

converts the existing user data to whatever

that new file format

is. It is my intent to do that this time also.

I will do

everything I can to preserve any custom data.

Hope this helps.....

Gene Maurice

gene.maurice at sgmservice.com

Dallas, GA

AMA 3408

NSRCA 877

PACSS.sgmservice.com

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discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]

On Behalf Of John Gayer

Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 10:45 AM
To: General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] PACSS Upgrade

Gene,
The Schedule Maintenance appears to allow only

schedules between

401 and 409. Doesn't this mean you need to

replace the current AMA/

FAI schedules in order to set up for SPA or a

foreign county.

Wouldn't you lose your modified schedules with

a PACSS update?

I think what Phil is suggesting is an external

text file that can

be used to input the schedules  for any

contest, foreign or

domestic. If you provide the layout, there are

plenty of folks

around the world that would keep their version

up to date and send

you the file for inclusion in updates.

Here's the url for the current British

patterns:   http://

www.gbrcaa.org/schedules.htm

John

Gene Maurice wrote:

Phil,

You CAN add / maintain your own

schedules.  "System Maintenance"

tab, "Schedules" button.

Gene Maurice

gene.maurice at sgmservice.com

Dallas, GA

AMA 3408

NSRCA 877

PACSS.sgmservice.com

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On Behalf Of Phil Spelt

Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 8:32 AM
To: General pattern discussion
Cc: Bruce Underwood; Ed Hartley
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] PACSS Upgrade

Happy New Year, Gene!!!

The SPA schedule will remain the same for

2010.  We will probably

change it for 2011-2012.  If we do, I'll

send the new patterns to

you.  How 'bout just making an app to let

us update the schedules

ourselves.  Would that be too much work

for you, or would it

reduce your work every couple of years?

We sure do appreciate the work you do on

PACSS!!!  I believe it is

THE scoring program for SPA, at least here in

the Southeast...

At 08:04 AM 1/5/2010, you wrote:

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All PACSS Users,

I am in the process of making a number

modifications to PACSS. One

of the changes is to make the use of

"foreign", other than AMA /

FAI, schedules easier to use. In order to do

this I need to know

what are the Organizations and associated

schedules that are being

used today. I have the SPA and Canadian

schedules from last year

but don't know if they are changing in 2010 so

updated schedules

from those two organizations would be

helpful.

Any and all help would be greatly appreciated

Gene Maurice
gene.maurice at sgmservice.com
Dallas, GA
AMA 3408
NSRCA 877
PACSS.sgmservice.com

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