[NSRCA-discussion] unknowns

Wed Sep 23 15:46:08 AKDT 2009

Tom:
As a past 4-time USA F3A Team Manager, I saw a BUNCH of "unknown" pilots fly
FANTASTIC sequences and not get anywhere near the score they deserved...  I
can remember in Poland sitting with Chris Lakin and Kirk Grey watching
several pilots and one was just fantastic!  Chris and Kirk looked at each
other and we need to check his scores!  When they came out they were very
low...  very sad.

Tony Stillman, President
Radio South, Inc.
139 Altama Connector, Box 322
Brunswick, GA  31525
1-800-962-7802
www.radiosouthrc.com

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Koenig, Tom
Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 6:15 PM
To: 'General pattern discussion'
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] unknowns

Ron and all,

I LOVE your suggestion. At least then we may have a chance of obtaining the
correct placings and/or the correct world champion?
Also-do not forget the cost savings to the organisation in that the airfares
will be considerably cheaper by obtaining more 'local' judges. This is a big
driver for the 'European' hosts....and why countries like Australia and NZ
tend be disregarded if at all possible. We have issues in that Southern
hemisphere countries always come from Winter climates where we have limited
oppertunities to actually prepare/practice for a Northern (summer)world
champs.

I have also heard suggestions from W/C contest pilots ( not just the aussie
team btw), that the they wished they could not be 'identified'i.e that they
be infront of some sort of screen whereby the judges could not identify the
actual pilot.

Sure-some models could be used as a way of identifying the pilot, but there
are plenty of the 'same' models being used these days.

I thought that was a cool and perhaps 'do-able' thing? More realistic than
some sort of computerised/video 'tracking', despite such technology
existing.

Tom

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Ron Van Putte
Sent: Thursday, 24 September 2009 4:57
To: General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] unknowns

I smile every time I think about this:  The F3A World Championships host
gets a list of potential judges from which to pick.  The total list is
predominantly European judges.  Most F3A WCs end up with predominantly
European judges. The preponderance of European judges
dictates how judging will be done.   However, what if the list of
judges for the 2111 F3A WC is mostly made up of a judge from the U.S.,
Canada, Mexico, South Africa, New Zealand, Australia, China, Japan,
Argentina, Venezuela, etc , such that it that it is NOT made
up of predominantly European judges?  Who gets to pick the judges?
As the host organization, the NSRCA does.

Ron VP

On Sep 23, 2009, at 1:19 PM, Don Ramsey wrote:

> Matt,
>
> You will be disappointed to know that all the World Judges want to
> have rolling circles.  I objected strongly and thought I made a good
> argument; loss of fields, over houses, too much real estate, etc.
> But, they still want the rolling circles in all future patterns and
> especially F patterns.  It sure limits the number of fields that can
> fly those patterns unless the pilots decide to roll in.
>
> Don
>
> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-
> discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of rcmaster199 at aol.com
>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 11:32 AM
> To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] unknowns
>
>
>
> It seems to me that we keep "learning" the same lessons but some just
> never get the memo. Rolling circles are very neat differentiating
> maneuvers BUT not desirable in neither IMAC nor Pattern circles. They
> simply consume too much real estate and contradict the very essence of
> why we in Pattern moved to quiet our models. Noise reduction footprint
> was at the core of that effort some 25 years ago.
>
>
>
> As my good friend Dean Pappas and I have discussed on many occasions,
> rolling loops, segments, variations, etc. are just as neat as circles
> and consume no more footprint than the typical schedule would. Oh BTW,
> these are far less difficult to judge objectively
>
>
>
> MattK
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ed Alt <ed_alt at hotmail.com>
> To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> Sent: Tue, Sep 22, 2009 10:08 pm
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] unknowns
>
> It's funny.  I brought my 40% Carden out of mothballs last weekend to
> work on the F3M stuff and all I wanted to do was fly it like a pattern
> airplane.  Ofcourse it doesn't quite measure up, but I found that I
> really have no enthusiasm left for wapping through
> rolls where the only skill involved is being able to stop on time.
> I admit, on the last flight of the day I digressed and did about 10
> minutes of 3d-ish garbage, until I finally realized that it was really
> not very satisfying.  Foamies are more fun these days than
> knocking the sticks around on a 40 % gasser.   I guess I'm just
> getting old...
>
> Ed
>
> > Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 08:44:06 -0700
> > From: seefo at san.rr.com
> > To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] unknowns
> >
> > Vince,
> >
> > The "Slow Roll" in IAC does not equate to a pattern slow roll.
> The IAC
> > Slow Roll is just a roll, and the term slow is used to
> differentiate it
> > from a point roll or snap roll. In truth, the IAC slow roll is never
> > flown at anything but maximum roll rate available.
> >
> > -Doug
> >
> >
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Yes, partial rolling circles are introduced in the Intermediate
> > > class. As we know, there is not way to do rollers by rolling fast.
> > > IMAC is missing to introduce the slow roll in Sportsman's
> class. I am
> > > not sure why since IAC includes the slow roll.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
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