[NSRCA-discussion] unknowns

Wed Sep 23 11:17:35 AKDT 2009

I'm only 18 with 27 years of experience :)

Of course I'm at work, who has time for this at home?  Just don't tell my boss!

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From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Ron Van Putte
Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 3:08 PM
To: General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] unknowns

I kinda wish that people like Mark didn't read my stuff quite so  
carefully.  I also wonder why he isn't at work.  Hmmmm, maybe he is.   
I'll never tell.

2111?  I'll only be 176 years old.

Ron VP

On Sep 23, 2009, at 1:50 PM, Atwood, Mark wrote:

> Only Ron...who was actually around in 1911, would plan to still be  
> around in 2111 :)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca- 
> discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Ron Van Putte
> Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 2:57 PM
> To: General pattern discussion
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] unknowns
>
> I smile every time I think about this:  The F3A World Championships
> host gets a list of potential judges from which to pick.  The total
> list is  predominantly European judges.  Most F3A WCs end up with
> predominantly European judges. The preponderance of European judges
> dictates how judging will be done.   However, what if the list of
> judges for the 2111 F3A WC is mostly made up of a judge from the
> U.S., Canada, Mexico, South Africa, New Zealand, Australia, China,
> Japan, Argentina, Venezuela, etc , such that it that it is NOT made
> up of predominantly European judges?  Who gets to pick the judges?
> As the host organization, the NSRCA does.
>
> Ron VP
>
> On Sep 23, 2009, at 1:19 PM, Don Ramsey wrote:
>
>> Matt,
>>
>> You will be disappointed to know that all the World Judges want to
>> have rolling circles.  I objected strongly and thought I made a
>> good argument; loss of fields, over houses, too much real estate,
>> etc.  But, they still want the rolling circles in all future
>> patterns and especially F patterns.  It sure limits the number of
>> fields that can fly those patterns unless the pilots decide to roll
>> in.
>>
>> Don
>>
>> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-
>> discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of rcmaster199 at aol.com
>>
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 11:32 AM
>> To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] unknowns
>>
>>
>>
>> It seems to me that we keep "learning" the same lessons but some
>> just never get the memo. Rolling circles are very neat
>> differentiating maneuvers BUT not desirable in neither IMAC nor
>> Pattern circles. They simply consume too much real estate and
>> contradict the very essence of why we in Pattern moved to quiet our
>> models. Noise reduction footprint was at the core of that effort
>> some 25 years ago.
>>
>>
>>
>> As my good friend Dean Pappas and I have discussed on many
>> occasions, rolling loops, segments, variations, etc. are just as
>> neat as circles and consume no more footprint than the typical
>> schedule would. Oh BTW, these are far less difficult to judge
>> objectively
>>
>>
>>
>> MattK
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Ed Alt <ed_alt at hotmail.com>
>> To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>> Sent: Tue, Sep 22, 2009 10:08 pm
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] unknowns
>>
>> It's funny.  I brought my 40% Carden out of mothballs last weekend
>> to work on the F3M stuff and all I wanted to do was fly it like a
>> pattern airplane.  Ofcourse it doesn't quite measure up, but I
>> found that I really have no enthusiasm left for wapping through
>> rolls where the only skill involved is being able to stop on time.
>> I admit, on the last flight of the day I digressed and did about 10
>> minutes of 3d-ish garbage, until I finally realized that it was
>> really not very satisfying.  Foamies are more fun these days than
>> knocking the sticks around on a 40 % gasser.   I guess I'm just
>> getting old...
>>
>> Ed
>>
>>> Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 08:44:06 -0700
>>> From: seefo at san.rr.com
>>> To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] unknowns
>>>
>>> Vince,
>>>
>>> The "Slow Roll" in IAC does not equate to a pattern slow roll.
>> The IAC
>>> Slow Roll is just a roll, and the term slow is used to
>> differentiate it
>>> from a point roll or snap roll. In truth, the IAC slow roll is never
>>> flown at anything but maximum roll rate available.
>>>
>>> -Doug
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Yes, partial rolling circles are introduced in the Intermediate
>>>> class. As we know, there is not way to do rollers by rolling fast.
>>>> IMAC is missing to introduce the slow roll in Sportsman's
>> class. I am
>>>> not sure why since IAC includes the slow roll.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
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