[NSRCA-discussion] Speaking of the 2011 Worlds at Muncie . . . . .

Wed Sep 2 20:18:52 AKDT 2009

I love the questions - it gives us all a chance to fully understand what is
going on.

At the 2008 Nats I had a discussion with the AMA about the WC's and when
would be the best time to do it.  Several suggestions were made as to timing
but one of them (the current one of having the WC's at the end of the Nats
followed by the pattern Nats) made the best since logistically as well as
with timing on getting the facility.  Several different options of where to
put the WC's were considered and we finally settled on the "current" set of
dates as a place holder.

These dates were run by a number of people and everyone was in agreement,
including the CIAM, as to whether it would be feasible to host the event
during this time period.  The more people we talked to, and by fully
explaining the reasoning to them, the more they liked it.  We haven't been
operating in a vacuum with this - full cooperation with the AMA and the CIAM
has been done on this.  One can't do this without either party and I
definitely would be foolish to come up with dates without ensuring that the
AMA and the CIAM have bought into them.

Officially, the pattern Nats won't be scheduled until the planning meeting
next year - just like all events are scheduled each year at this planning
meeting.

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[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Anthony
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Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Speaking of the 2011 Worlds at Muncie . . .
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Derek,

Maybe I'm coming in late to this discussion, and for that I apologize. But I
would like to ask a few more questions just for clarification. 

You have stated before that the Pattern Nats for 2011 won't be scheduled
until October of 2010. Has there been any serious discussion with the AMA
about the 2011 Pattern Nats and if it will even be possible to do what you
are stating? Can they can even be held after the WC? It would seem that this
will take a monumental shift in the Center schedule.

Are the dates that you have put out for the WC's the only alternative right
now? Do we even have the option of moving them later?

Thanks for your reply!

Tony

On Sep 2, 2009, at 4:44 PM, Derek Koopowitz wrote:

Fluid meaning that the dates could move a few days forward or backward...
yes, absolutely.

Cast in concrete - when the 1st bulletin gets mailed out.

On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 4:24 PM, Anthony Frackowiak
<frackowiak at sbcglobal.net> wrote:

No it has not been worked out. You are saying your dates for the WC are
fluid, and the dates for the 2011 Nats are not set even tentatively. So
there is a lot in the air. 

Tony

On Sep 2, 2009, at 4:15 PM, Derek Koopowitz wrote:

Actually it had been all worked out until "everyone" started chiming in as
to their preference for when the wc should be held and the Nats should be
held... can't please all the people.

LOL

On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 4:07 PM, Anthony Frackowiak
<frackowiak at sbcglobal.net> wrote:

I absolutely agree. IRCHA will not move their dates unless forced to by the
AMA. And I doubt the AMA will do so. 

I find it hard to believe that this has not been worked out yet. 

Tony

On Sep 2, 2009, at 4:00 PM, Bill's Email wrote:

Anthony Frackowiak wrote: 

Archie is absolutely correct.  

Tony

On Sep 2, 2009, at 3:51 PM, Archie Stafford wrote:

IRCHA is a totally different animal though.  Kind of like having Joe Nall
after the pattern worlds.  I'd say most people really didn't care about the
F3C worlds.  IRCHA does a lot more 3D stuff.   

And my point was that attracting 900 paid participants to an event is going
to give them some clout when it comes to a schedule relative to the pattern
NATS. The WC are a different thing, but IRCHA is not likely to budge for the
pattern NATS if it came to that.

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