[NSRCA-discussion] Rules Fix Advancement system

[Bill Glaze]

Agreed on that too, Ron.  Our use, our responsibility.  Bill
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ron Van Putte" <vanputte at cox.net>
To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2009 12:59 PM
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Rules Fix Advancement system


Me too.  I was the 1996 and 1997 Nats event director.  In the spring
of 1997, I needed to see the results of the 1996 Nats so I could seed
the top eight Master and F3A class pilots for the 1997 Nats.  I'd had
a computer meltdown between the two Nats and no longer had the
results of the 1996 Nats to look at, so I asked AMA to send them to
me.  They couldn't find them.  I ended up doing the seeding by
looking at the Model Aviation report I wrote on the Nats.

Don't expect that AMA will have any better luck with advancement
points.  If we want an advancement system that works, we'd better do
it ourselves.

Ron VP

On Oct 25, 2009, at 10:54 AM, Dave Burton wrote:

> Disagreed.
>
> What’s the point in having a system with paperwork for several  steps that 
> no one either cares about, knows about, and just goes  into a circular 
> file at AMA?
>
> Forcing people to move up to a higher class because of an arbitrary 
> points system or forcing them to stay in a class they are not  capable of 
> flying without a pointless paper process serves no good  purpose IMO.
>
> If there is adjusting, revising, etc. to the system that would be  better 
> than no system have you submitted a proposal to AMA?
>
>
>
>
>
> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca- 
> discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Bill Glaze
> Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2009 11:41 AM
> To: General pattern discussion
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Rules Fix Advancement system
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>
>
> Agreed. Bill Glaze
>
> ----- Original Message -----
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> From: ronlock at comcast.net
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> To: General pattern discussion
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> Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2009 11:30 AM
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> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Rules Fix Advancement system
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> One more opinion here-
>
> Point has been made that for the most part we don't have a  sandbagging 
> problem -
> I think that is generally true.  In part because we do have an 
> Advancement process that
> is a foundation upon which peer pressure rests.   I think not  having any 
> system is an over
> reaction.    I am in favor of adjusting, revising, etc, the  advancement 
> system as may be
> helpful.
>
> Ron Lockhart
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tony" <tony at radiosouthrc.com>
> To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 10:00:57 AM (GMT-0500) Auto-Detected
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Rules proposal 11-6 question
>
> As AMA District 5 VP, I have just signed one as John describes for  a D5 
> member that wanted to move back to Advanced from Masters.  I  don’t know 
> of any requests that have been denied by an AMA VP.
>
>
>
>
>
> Tony Stillman, President
>
> Radio South, Inc.
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> 139 Altama Connector, Box 322
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> Brunswick, GA  31525
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> 1-800-962-7802
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> www.radiosouthrc.com
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> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca- 
> discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of John Konneker
> Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 9:52 AM
> To: Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Rules proposal 11-6 question
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>
>
> I was curious about this procedure last winter and did some research.
> The form is obtained from the AMA and is filled out in duplicate.
> The requester states his reason for asking to move back.
> He then has a CD and his AMA district contest board member sign it.
> You can find the contest board member list in the back of every  other 
> month's Model Aviation or on the AMA website.
> After that it goes to your AMA district VP who forwards both forms  on to 
> Muncie after he signs them.
> AMA Muncie does not approve, disapprove, grant or deny these  request. 
> They only place one copy on file
> and return the other copy to the requester.
> Done.
> As a CD I would sign anyone's request that was sincere for whatever  the 
> reason.
> I bet the contest board member would be the same.
> The AMA DVP will sign based on the previous recommendations.
> JLK
>
> Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 06:42:14 -0700
> From: humptybump at sbcglobal.net
> To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Rules proposal 11-6 question
>
> ...Read section eight of the rule book...
>
>
>
> Under current rules you can move up but not down.  However, there  is a 
> very specific exception that allows one to petition the AMA by  submitting 
> a form that, once approved, allows reclassification to a  lower class due 
> to various reasons including, but not limited to,  disability, breaks from 
> flying, etc...
>
>
>
> Richard
>
>
>
> From: Bob Richards <bob at toprudder.com>
> To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 8:16:46 AM
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Rules proposal 11-6 question
>
> You mean if I have not flown pattern AT ALL in 12 years, I can fly 
> Intermediate now?? :-)
>
> --- On Thu, 10/22/09, Joe Lachowski <jlachow at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> You know we have a 4 yr sliding scale in effect from the last rules 
> cycle. Has anybody looked at how it has affected oneself in this  regard. 
> Just curious. It maybe good enough without makng anymore  changes?
>
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