[NSRCA-discussion] Rules Fix Advancement system

Sun Oct 25 09:00:02 AKDT 2009

Me too.  I was the 1996 and 1997 Nats event director.  In the spring  
of 1997, I needed to see the results of the 1996 Nats so I could seed  
the top eight Master and F3A class pilots for the 1997 Nats.  I'd had  
a computer meltdown between the two Nats and no longer had the  
results of the 1996 Nats to look at, so I asked AMA to send them to  
me.  They couldn't find them.  I ended up doing the seeding by  
looking at the Model Aviation report I wrote on the Nats.

Don't expect that AMA will have any better luck with advancement  
points.  If we want an advancement system that works, we'd better do  
it ourselves.

Ron VP

On Oct 25, 2009, at 10:54 AM, Dave Burton wrote:

> Disagreed.
>
> What’s the point in having a system with paperwork for several  
> steps that no one either cares about, knows about, and just goes  
> into a circular file at AMA?
>
> Forcing people to move up to a higher class because of an arbitrary  
> points system or forcing them to stay in a class they are not  
> capable of flying without a pointless paper process serves no good  
> purpose IMO.
>
> If there is adjusting, revising, etc. to the system that would be  
> better than no system have you submitted a proposal to AMA?
>
>
>
>
>
> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca- 
> discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Bill Glaze
> Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2009 11:41 AM
> To: General pattern discussion
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Rules Fix Advancement system
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>
> Agreed. Bill Glaze
>
> ----- Original Message -----
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> From: ronlock at comcast.net
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> To: General pattern discussion
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> Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2009 11:30 AM
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> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Rules Fix Advancement system
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> One more opinion here-
>
> Point has been made that for the most part we don't have a  
> sandbagging problem -
> I think that is generally true.  In part because we do have an  
> Advancement process that
> is a foundation upon which peer pressure rests.   I think not  
> having any system is an over
> reaction.    I am in favor of adjusting, revising, etc, the  
> advancement system as may be
> helpful.
>
> Ron Lockhart
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tony" <tony at radiosouthrc.com>
> To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 10:00:57 AM (GMT-0500) Auto-Detected
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Rules proposal 11-6 question
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> As AMA District 5 VP, I have just signed one as John describes for  
> a D5 member that wanted to move back to Advanced from Masters.  I  
> don’t know of any requests that have been denied by an AMA VP.
>
>
>
>
>
> Tony Stillman, President
>
> Radio South, Inc.
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> 139 Altama Connector, Box 322
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> Brunswick, GA  31525
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> 1-800-962-7802
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> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca- 
> discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of John Konneker
> Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 9:52 AM
> To: Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Rules proposal 11-6 question
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>
>
> I was curious about this procedure last winter and did some research.
> The form is obtained from the AMA and is filled out in duplicate.
> The requester states his reason for asking to move back.
> He then has a CD and his AMA district contest board member sign it.
> You can find the contest board member list in the back of every  
> other month's Model Aviation or on the AMA website.
> After that it goes to your AMA district VP who forwards both forms  
> on to Muncie after he signs them.
> AMA Muncie does not approve, disapprove, grant or deny these  
> request.  They only place one copy on file
> and return the other copy to the requester.
> Done.
> As a CD I would sign anyone's request that was sincere for whatever  
> the reason.
> I bet the contest board member would be the same.
> The AMA DVP will sign based on the previous recommendations.
> JLK
>
> Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 06:42:14 -0700
> From: humptybump at sbcglobal.net
> To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Rules proposal 11-6 question
>
> ...Read section eight of the rule book...
>
>
>
> Under current rules you can move up but not down.  However, there  
> is a very specific exception that allows one to petition the AMA by  
> submitting a form that, once approved, allows reclassification to a  
> lower class due to various reasons including, but not limited to,  
> disability, breaks from flying, etc...
>
>
>
> Richard
>
>
>
> From: Bob Richards <bob at toprudder.com>
> To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 8:16:46 AM
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Rules proposal 11-6 question
>
> You mean if I have not flown pattern AT ALL in 12 years, I can fly  
> Intermediate now?? :-)
>
> --- On Thu, 10/22/09, Joe Lachowski <jlachow at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> You know we have a 4 yr sliding scale in effect from the last rules  
> cycle. Has anybody looked at how it has affected oneself in this  
> regard. Just curious. It maybe good enough without makng anymore  
> changes?
>
>
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