[NSRCA-discussion] basic judging question (warning 4 letter word)

[John Ferrell]

I believe "We could fix most of that, by assigning a low K to snap maneuvers" is the only appropriate solution. If you cast them out, it is giving up. 

John Ferrell  W8CCW
 
"Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice, and moderation in pursuit of justice is no virtue."
-Barry Goldwater
"You don't get harmony when everybody sings the same note."
-Doug Floyd

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: ronlock at comcast.net 
  To: General pattern discussion 
  Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 1:16 PM
  Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] basic judging question (warning 4 letter word)


  "Maneuvers should be easy to judge and hard to fly."   An old and excellent concept!

  We have been working on describing a snap and  judging them for lots of years.
  Descriptions are pretty good.   Judging consistently and accurately is still not good.
  Guess we need to keep working on it, not that we have not been trying.

  In the meantime, do we continue using maneuvers with snaps, knowing the judging is likely inconsistent?   There is an argument to be made; they need to stay in schedules so pilots and judges can practice them.

  While practice goes on another X years, round scores continue to be heavily influenced by the scores on high K snap maneuvers.  We could fix most of that, by assigning a low K to snap maneuvers.    Got a better idea?

  Ron Lockhart

  ----- Original Message -----
  From: "John Ferrell" <jferrell13 at triad.rr.com>
  To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
  Sent: Friday, October 9, 2009 12:04:51 PM (GMT-0500) Auto-Detected
  Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] basic judging question


  I have always felt that if you cannot get consistent judging on a maneuver it should no be in the sequence...

  Maneuvers should be easy to judge and hard to fly.

  John Ferrell  W8CCW
   
  "Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice, and moderation in pursuit of justice is no virtue."
  -Barry Goldwater
  "You don't get harmony when everybody sings the same note."
  -Doug Floyd

    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Bob Richards 
    To: General pattern discussion 
    Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 1:11 PM
    Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] basic judging question


          It is unfortunate that we sometimes have to "adjust" our flying to give the judges what they are looking for, even if what they are looking for may be wrong.  Unfortunately I always had difficulty doing that. :-(

          Bob R.

          --- On Thu, 10/8/09, Vicente "Vince" Bortone <vicenterc at comcast.net> wrote:



            Don,

            If the plane skid into the wind the lines can not be exactly vertical and horizontal as described by both AMA and FAI.  Therefore, I am not sure how the 2 FAI pilots could be correct.  I guess that I have to follow your recommendation to get better scores.   

            Vicente "Vince" Bortone
         



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