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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>I believe "<FONT size=3>We could fix most of that,
by assigning a low K to snap maneuvers" is the only appropriate solution. If you
cast them out, it is giving up. </FONT></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>John Ferrell W8CCW<BR> <BR>"Extremism in defense of liberty is
no vice, and moderation in pursuit of justice is no virtue."<BR>-Barry
Goldwater<BR>"You don't get harmony when everybody sings the same
note."<BR>-Doug Floyd<BR></DIV>
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<A title=ronlock@comcast.net
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, October 09, 2009 1:16
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] basic
judging question (warning 4 letter word)</DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: #000000; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><FONT size=2
face=Arial>"Maneuvers should be easy to judge and hard to
fly.</FONT>" An old and excellent concept!<BR><BR>We have been
working on describing a snap and judging them for lots of
years.<BR>Descriptions are pretty good. Judging consistently and
accurately is still not good.<BR>Guess we need to keep working on it, not that
we have not been trying.<BR><BR>In the meantime, do we continue using
maneuvers with snaps, knowing the judging is likely inconsistent?
There is an argument to be made; they need to stay in schedules so pilots and
judges can practice them.<BR><BR>While practice goes on another X years, round
scores continue to be heavily influenced by the scores on high K snap
maneuvers. We could fix most of that, by assigning a low K to snap
maneuvers. Got a better idea?<BR><BR>Ron
Lockhart<BR><BR>----- Original Message -----<BR>From: "John Ferrell"
<jferrell13@triad.rr.com><BR>To: "General pattern discussion"
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12:04:51 PM (GMT-0500) Auto-Detected<BR>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] basic
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>I have always felt that if you cannot get
consistent judging on a maneuver it should no be in the
sequence...</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Maneuvers should be easy to judge and hard to
fly.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>John Ferrell W8CCW<BR> <BR>"Extremism
in defense of liberty is no vice, and moderation in pursuit of justice is no
virtue."<BR>-Barry Goldwater<BR>"You don't get harmony when everybody sings
the same note."<BR>-Doug Floyd<BR></FONT></DIV>
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<A title=bob@toprudder.com href="mailto:bob@toprudder.com" target=_blank>Bob
Richards</A> </DIV>
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<A title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target=_blank>General pattern
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Thursday, October 08, 2009 1:11 PM</DIV>
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Re: [NSRCA-discussion] basic judging question</DIV>
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<DIV>It is unfortunate that we sometimes have to "adjust" our flying
to give the judges what they are looking for, even if what they are
looking for may be wrong. Unfortunately I always had
difficulty doing that. :-(</DIV>
<DIV><BR>Bob R.</DIV>
<DIV><BR>--- On <B>Thu, 10/8/09, Vicente "Vince" Bortone <I><<A
href="mailto:vicenterc@comcast.net"
target=_blank>vicenterc@comcast.net</A>></I></B> wrote:<BR></DIV>
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<DIV>Don,</DIV>
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<DIV>If the plane skid into the wind the lines can not be exactly
vertical and horizontal as described by both AMA and FAI.
Therefore, I am not sure how the 2 FAI pilots could be
correct. I guess that I have to follow your
recommendation to get better scores. <BR><BR>Vicente
"Vince" Bortone<BR></DIV></DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
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