[NSRCA-discussion] WRAP UP - Advancement

mike mueller mups1953 at yahoo.com
Wed May 13 07:00:28 AKDT 2009 

 Mark were on the same page. Mike

--- On Wed, 5/13/09, Atwood, Mark <atwoodm at paragon-inc.com> wrote:

> From: Atwood, Mark <atwoodm at paragon-inc.com>
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] WRAP UP - Advancement
> To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> Date: Wednesday, May 13, 2009, 9:49 AM
> I agree completely.
> 
> No issue that it's currently in place and should be taken
> advantage of.  I would just like to see the rule
> changed when possible to eliminate the hoop jumping that has
> to be done now.  It's a burden, and a hit to self
> esteem to have to "petition" to fly in the lower
> class.  Easier to just quit...which is the problem.
> 
> And let's be honest, this isn't a daily problem, or we
> would have already addressed it.  But if it helps even
> a small few, then it will be a good thing.
> 
> We basically do it now with Masters and FAI.  I
> realize those are two different governing bodies, but
> there's no illusion that FAI isn't the next step above
> Masters.  We have no real problems with people moving
> between them at will.  I would like to see the same
> freedom for those who's skill and/or time has them "stuck"
> between Advanced and Masters...or between Intermediate and
> Advanced, etc.
> 
> 
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]
> On Behalf Of mike mueller
> Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 10:43 AM
> To: General pattern discussion
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] WRAP UP - Advancement
> 
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>  While I agree with the spirit of what your saying Mark
> there is a rule in place and we have to abide by it until
> it's officially changed.
>  As the interim NSRCA D5VP I will work within the system to
> accomodate anyone who wants to drop down a class in D5.
> John's email conveys the system that exists in black and
> white. We want to help those that need it here. Kind of like
> our version of a stimulus package.
>  I hope that the rule can be changed sooner than later.
> Mike
> 
> --- On Wed, 5/13/09, Atwood, Mark <atwoodm at paragon-inc.com>
> wrote:
> 
> > From: Atwood, Mark <atwoodm at paragon-inc.com>
> > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] WRAP UP - Advancement
> > To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> > Date: Wednesday, May 13, 2009, 9:26 AM
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> > I’m in favor of it being
> > a guideline, but I don’t think that verbiage
> > belongs in the rule book.  That’s best left for
> > the NSRCA web site or some
> > other medium to describe. 
> > 
> >    
> > 
> > As for moving down,
> > that’s sort of the whole point.  To allow
> > people to choose where they want to fly, up or down
> the
> > classes as their time,
> > skill, etc allows.   By nature you have to be
> > competitive to enjoy this facet
> > of the hobby.  If you find yourself in a situation
> > where you are no longer
> > competitive, (again, lack of time, money, skill, etc)
> then
> > most will simply get
> > frustrated and quit.  I’d much prefer to see
> > someone take a step backward, and
> > continue to have a rewarding experience, than to lose
> them
> > from the sport. 
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> > From:
> > nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
> > [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]
> On
> > Behalf Of Ron
> > Hansen
> > 
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 7:01 AM
> > 
> > To: 'General pattern discussion'
> > 
> > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] WRAP UP -
> > Advancement 
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> >    
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> > I’m in favor of making
> > advancement a guideline.  Perhaps we need to
> > cover advancement as part of good sportsmanship and
> maybe
> > include the ability
> > for the district to vote on whether someone is abusing
> the
> > absence of a
> > mandatory advancement rule.  For example, leave it
> to
> > the discretion of the
> > District VP or a majority vote of the district
> > members.  If the district
> > decides someone needs to move up the competitor would
> have
> > the option to stay
> > where he or she is and not qualify for prizes and
> district
> > points or move up at
> > the end of the year. 
> > 
> >    
> > 
> > What about the ability to move
> > down?  For example, someone tries
> > Masters for one or two contests and then decides they
> are
> > still not ready and
> > wants to move back down.  Do the current rules
> > properly address this? 
> > 
> >    
> > 
> > Ron 
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> >    
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > 
> > From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
> > [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]
> On
> > Behalf Of ronlock at comcast.net
> > 
> > Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 8:12 PM
> > 
> > To: General pattern discussion
> > 
> > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] WRAP UP -
> > Advancement 
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> > Years
> > ago when the Sportsman sequence was rather short,
> some
> > CD's
> > were doing the sequence twice.   A rule was
> > written to codify the
> > practice, and provide suggested procedures on
> exit/entry
> > between the sequences,
> > and handle scoring of one take off & landing, but
> two
> > sequences.  It's
> > still in the book,  para 14.8.   Given
> > current length of
> > Sportsman sequence, it's rarely used.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Ron Lockhart
> > 
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> > ----- Original Message -----
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> > From: "Bill's Email"
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> > To: "General pattern discussion"
> > <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
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> > Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 7:37:29 PM (GMT-0500)
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> > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] WRAP UP - Advancement
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> > Snaproll4 at aol.com
> > wrote:
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> > CD's used to have the ability
> > to have Sportsman fly twice which
> > isn't in the rule book.  They now can have an
> > Expert class which isn't in
> > the rule book.  Can CD's suspend the advancement
> > rule?  Just thinking
> > out loud. 
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> > Steve
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> > Interesting question. The AMA
> > gives CDs broad powers to waive
> > rules as they see fit, but those usually pertain to
> the
> > safe operation of a
> > contest. The caveat is that the CD must publish any
> > variations within 30 days
> > of the event and it is best to list them in the
> sanction
> > application. Changes
> > can be made on the spot due to weather, etc., but it
> would
> > be hard to see how
> > advancement fits into that. So I suspect taht it would
> be
> > difficult for a CD to
> > do waht you suggest. What a CD could do I suppose is
> to
> > allow a certain
> > individual to fly a lower class, but again, that might
> be a
> > stretch.
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