[NSRCA-discussion] WRAP UP - Advancement

Wed May 13 08:27:53 AKDT 2009

Has this caused a problem beteen FAI and Masters?  People are free to move about there and it works well.  I doubt there would be constant movement. 

Regarding moving back, it has less to do ith ability or age (though those are both factors) than situation.  Simply changing jobs can take you from being able to practice 3-4 times a week, to 3-4 time a summer. Add a new sequence to that mix and suddenly your ability to participate in the higher class is gone. 

I just don't see the problems with movement. There's so little in FAI/Masters that's its hard to believe there would be a lot in lower classes. 
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I disagree that we should make it so that people can move from class-to-class on a contest-by-contest basis.  If we remove forced advancement, then we elimitate the problem of people being forced into a class they feel they are not ready for.  That, by itself, solves the problem that may cause someone to "need" or "want" to move back a class after "trying" it out and finding they are not "ready" (meaning they cannot win it on the first try????).  Folks will know if they are ready to fly the next level, the sequences are not secret and can be practiced/flown by anyone on their own time.  In order to cause them to consider their decision carefully, they should be required to stay a minimum of a season in their chosen class (move up if they like, not down)...If after that seaon, they want to swallow their pride and move back, so be it....a season, even in the southern districts is only 5 or 6 contests at most for most pilots.

Now if we are considering an older flyer who may not have the skills/ability to compete in Masters any longer, that's a different story, and what I've read and heard from MAsters pilots, once a person flies for some time as a Masters pilot, they are just not gonna swallow their pride and move back to Intermediate, no matter how easy it may be...

If we are considering the flier who tops out at Advanced and want to stay there permanently.  No forcred advancment solve that one too....

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I’m in favor of it being a guideline, but I don’t think that verbiage belongs in the rule book.  That’s best left for the NSRCA web site or some other medium to describe.

As for moving down, that’s sort of the whole point.  To allow people to choose where they want to fly, up or down the classes as their time, skill, etc allows.   By nature you have to be competitive to enjoy this facet of the hobby.  If you find yourself in a situation where you are no longer competitive, (again, lack of time, money, skill, etc) then most will simply get frustrated and quit.  I’d much prefer to see someone take a step backward, and continue to have a rewarding experience, than to lose them from the sport.

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Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 7:01 AM
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I’m in favor of making advancement a guideline.  Perhaps we need to cover advancement as part of good sportsmanship and maybe include the ability for the district to vote on whether someone is abusing the absence of a mandatory advancement rule.  For example, leave it to the discretion of the District VP or a majority vote of the district members.  If the district decides someone needs to move up the competitor would have the option to stay where he or she is and not qualify for prizes and district points or move up at the end of the year.

What about the ability to move down?  For example, someone tries Masters for one or two contests and then decides they are still not ready and wants to move back down.  Do the current rules properly address this?

Ron

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Years ago when the Sportsman sequence was rather short, some CD's were doing the sequence twice.   A rule was written to codify the practice, and provide suggested procedures on exit/entry between the sequences, and handle scoring of one take off & landing, but two sequences.  It's still in the book,  para 14.8.   Given current length of Sportsman sequence, it's rarely used.

Ron Lockhart

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Snaproll4 at aol.com wrote: 

CD's used to have the ability to have Sportsman fly twice which isn't in the rule book.  They now can have an Expert class which isn't in the rule book.  Can CD's suspend the advancement rule?  Just thinking out loud.

Steve 

Interesting question. The AMA gives CDs broad powers to waive rules as they see fit, but those usually pertain to the safe operation of a contest. The caveat is that the CD must publish any variations within 30 days of the event and it is best to list them in the sanction application. Changes can be made on the spot due to weather, etc., but it would be hard to see how advancement fits into that. So I suspect taht it would be difficult for a CD to do waht you suggest. What a CD could do I suppose is to allow a certain individual to fly a lower class, but again, that might be a stretch.

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