[NSRCA-discussion] JR DSM glitch - trouble-shooting.
Ryan Smith
smaragdz at bellsouth.net
Wed May 6 12:28:48 AKDT 2009
If I may step in here for a moment and elaborate on one of Don's points.
I'm not sure if Don was referring to me, however I lost my first Partner a
little over a year ago, and I think the flat, black clip was part of the
cause.
Anyhow, I was test flying a new to me Excellence IAM about a month ago, and
the way that I secured the battery to the regulator was with a piece of
vinyl electrical tape, that went from lead to lead, meaning it covered a bit
of the battery portion of the lead, the connectors, and a little bit of the
regulator portion of the lead. Anyway, I was out horsing the airplane around
a bit, when I noticed it started to respond funny. The CG seemed to be way
off and the elevator wasn't nearly as effective.
After getting the airplane down, I realized why. I had the battery mounted
under the rudder servo tray with a piece of Velcro, however that Velcro let
the battery slip out, as I didn't account for the extra loads that was going
to be put on the airplane doing 3D maneuvers. The battery had fallen out,
and entangled itself and the lead in the pull-pull cables for the elevator.
Not once did I have a problem with the battery unplugging. Also, some years
ago, a buddy of mine was flying a Desire (I think) and the battery came
loose from its mounting location, and somehow the canopy departed the
airplane as well. He was using electrical tape to secure his battery to the
switch, and even though it was outside beating on the airframe in the breeze
until he could get the airplane down, it held fast with no issues.
Normally I use heat shrink to secure leads, but I setup the batteries in all
of my airplanes to be removable for charging, and needed a simple, yet
effective solution. This is what I ended up using. The funny thing is, on
the Partner that went in, I had the battery out of the airplane about a week
prior to losing it, and neglected to put the electrical tape back on the
lead.
Stupid is as stupid does, I guess.
Ryan
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Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] JR DSM glitch - trouble-shooting.
Jon, Colin,
I'll pass on something that may or may not be related. The NMP Li Ion
battery packs come with a "JR" type connector but it's a slightly different
design for the pins. There is play especially if you use it inside a Futaba
female connector. That is what my dad used on his Smart Light Switch
design.
So any case, here's the story. I was flying and something did not feel
right. It felt like it went in to momentary hold, like during the bottom of
loop with 4 point roll (when the servos are loaded quite high). I bring it
down immediately and check the data logger which records zero holds logged.
However, I notice something out of ordinary. The data logger shows no
packet losses, no fades, zero holds. That seems odd since it always has
some minor packet losses during a flight log. Everything seems normal. I
take the switch out and notice that when I wiggle all the wires its ok, but
when I get to the connector from the battery to the switch I see the smart
light flash briefly (showing it goes under 5.4 volts). Now with no servos
on this is odd. So what I find, after wiggling the connector (almost
impossible to reproduce but I do it finally) inside the yellow clip-on
connector-holder thing (the thing where the connectors clip inside and will
not separate even when pulled hard) the light goes out and stays out. The
yellow clip thing allows for some wiggle of the pins ba ck and forth while
the connectors are inside the clip. I find that its at best its at a high
resistence, and at worst it has intermittant connections. That explains why
the rx voltage was dropping during the loop with 4 point roll. I subsituted
a very small tightly tied tie-wrap in place of the yellow removable clip and
the problem was solved. So I thought I would pass this on. I have heard of
at least one plane lost from the black slip-on clips pulling loose (the one
where you slide one wire on one slot and the other wire in the other slot to
keep the connector from loosening). However , I have never heard or
experienced problems with the yellow clips.
On the topic of trimming, here is another one of interest. I'm flying
tonight, the plane is trimmed perfectly, then half way through the flight
the trim below quarter throttle goes way out, like the wing is about to
separate. Real bad. Lots of up elevator and opposite aileron required to
land. Just get it on the ground. Felt like it lost an aileron, elevator
side, or both. I land, and after checking everything carefully I notice a
small section of trim covering on the top of the wing- maybe 6 inches in
length is loose. It did not tear off but in the frontal exposure to wind
would lift up like a miniature parachute. After carefully taping that down
I fly again. Same exact thing happens. This Magic VF3 PHX really isn't
happening. I land and guess what, another, smaller section comes loose
(just a little bit at the front edge of the trim covering), but closer to
the tip. I tape that down (boy I wish I had an Iron with me.). Any case, I
fly again and third time is the charm Everything flies well. If such a
small piece of covering could effect the trim that much, it makes me wonder
how much any drag differential would cause the common pattern pilot
headaches in trimming. Note this- a small amount of drag differential on
one wing tip has the same effect as an out-of rudder trim, except it's
non-linear with speed (drag). Reminds me of the story that George Asteris
had of a landing gear retract that was dragging (hanging down on one side).
Upright it would hang down slightly causing drag, inverted it would go back
into the wheel well and the drag would go away.
One final bit of wisdom. Plane rolls faster left than right. I go to ATV
to adjust control throws. It does not make sense. I have to add a bunch of
ATV in to get it close. I double check flight trim, guess what, that is it.
I do the clevis thing, get the trim beeps into the center transmitter trim,
and fly. Its perfect, and no ATV required at all. Plane rolls so much
better now. I'm now a 1 or two beep kind of guy.
Lots of food for thought. Well, I'm off to iron that covering back down...
tight.
Don
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From: colin chariandy <cchariandy at yahoo.ca>
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Sent: Sat, 2 May 2009 5:54 pm
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] JR DSM glitch - trouble-shooting.
I am using a Hyde ARA70, centarl hobbies nose ring. It seems loose enough.
The aileron servos are 9252s...I tested them on the bench and could find
nothing wrong.
I'm going to take the readings again with the shorter arms.
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Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] JR DSM glitch - trouble-shooting.
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What mount are you using? Hyde? Budd? If Hyde, which model? How tight is
your nose ring? Too tight can transfer a lot of vibration. Should be a
loose fit on the front of the engine.
I've done some testing with a Hanger 9 current meter, and your engine off
draw is about right. I see around .9 to 1=2 0amp at idle, and 1.6 to 2 amps
at full throttle, using a Hyde mount with a YS 1.70. This, of course, is on
the ground. How airloads dampen the oscillations, I have no idea.
Have you checked your aileron servos for dead spots around neutral? Are
your servo gears getting sloppy? They can start oscillating with the engine
running, and really kick up the amps. Put a servo tester on them with a
slow sweep and see if there is any hesitation in movement of the servo
thruout its travel. I've had a single aileron servo draw 1.5 amps by itself
if it started self oscillating due to a worn pot.
I'd get rid of the long arms. Are you at about 130% or more ATV at high
rates? If not, do that first to get more travel.
Jon Lowe
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Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] JR DSM glitch - trouble-shooting.
I know most are probabl
y fed up of this but I've got some info that may help others...
After changing the regulator, battery and throttle servo I checked the
regulator load as follows:
Bench - 160mA.
Feild, Engine off, windy day - 160-200mA
Engine idle - 1.6A!!
Mid power (roughest) - 2.0A!!!!
I tried to isolate the high draw by holding each control. When I held the
two ailerons it dropped to 680mA from 2.0A.
This year, in an attempt to speed up my snaps I changed to dubro super long
servo arms.
I'll need to improve the settings on the engine to smooth it out a bit
and/or go back to the shorter arms.
With this set-up I would have to consume 300-400mAhrs per flight. I
typically fly 4-5 flights....that's too close to the limit for a 2000mAhr
pack and could easily have cost me the plane if I wasnt checking between
flights. For what ever the reason the rx shut down on the ground....I am
very grateful
Anyone using long arms with big 4Cs, ensure that you arent taking too much
out of your packs.
Now...any advice on how to smooth out the mid range on the 170? Top end is
amazing, idle is reliable...what should I change?
Colin.
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Subject: RE: [NSRCA-discussion] JR DSM glitch - trouble-shooting.
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Handle the problem as you see fit, I've done my best to give you advice that
has always served me well. Good luck!
Ed
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Additionally, if the average for flight was 0.16A then we would only consume
21mAhr in a typical 8min flight. Not the case, it' s more like 150mAhr.
Colin
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Binding in the neutral position????
Everything is free, I can't find any mechanical problems.
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Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] JR DSM glitch - trouble-shooting.
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The idle current of 0.16A is about as high as your avwerage current for
model in flight should be. Something is binding.
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Ed Alt
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Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] JR DSM glitch - trouble-shooting.
Just tried the same using the regulator from my back-up (same except not
switched) and a new throttle servo.
Throttle servo amps increased to 0.35A max.
Although the package was labelled 6.0V the output is 5.7V and min output was
5.5V.
After a minute of servo wagging it was hotter than the original.
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2009, 9:22 PM
Ok, although this is a 1 year old airplane with 150 flights I checked the
current draw after the regulator with all servos energized and the engine
off.
I used a "watts up" meter that logs peaks (but I'm not sure what the
sampling fequency is).
Idle current - 0.16A.
Throttle servo movement max - 0.25A (doesnt seem like a problem but it's a
little more noisy than a new one).
All other servos - 0.22-0.24 A max.
Moving all servos together rapidly - 1.72A max.
Regulator output min - 5.82V
I did this (moved all the servos rapidly for 1 min) and checked the little
heat sink at the end of the regulator chip...quite warm, almost hot.
I may try this again with the engine running and compare the results.
=0 A
Colin.
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This is easy to resolve. Nothing high tech is needed. One by one, move
your controls and carefully watch to see if it looks l
ike the any of them are straining at the end of their maximum travel. Check
the throttle in particular. I have seen digital servo cases melt from
having the throw set up further than the linkage will allow. If that's not
it, disconnect the linkages at servo and work the control surface by hand.
If it does not move very freely, fix it. If you don't find the problem
there, work the servos around in a 10 minute mock flight on the ground,
except exaggerate the movements considerably since there will be no air load
and engine vibration to add to the loa d. Listen to each servo. If it
sounds like it's having a problem, remove it and check it out on the bench.
If there's nothing obviously wrong by the sound of things, then feel the
servo cases to see
if any of them are getting warm, or even try smelling them for that
characteristic smell that hot electronics tend to have. If there is a
regulator that got so hot as to discolor it, and there is nothing at all
wrong with the linkages or control surfaces, then this ought to find the
culprit.
Ed
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Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] JR DSM glitch - trouble-shooting.
You will need a very good meter
to read the current, because a fully loaded digital setup takes the current
in short spikes and most meters do not have a good enough frequency
response. I have tried using a very good quality HP meter with over 20k
frequency response and concluded it's not accurate, but it does give you a
ball park numb er and will indicate if you have a serious problem. I have
monitored my receiver voltage using a FDR data recorder and using two nimh
batteries pack in parallel see at least one volt drop spikes at the receiver
when the servos are heavily loaded. I run 2 20amp schottky diode connected
packs in parallel for safety. You can be sure that these spikes are 5amps
or more. I placed a Castel reg in the circuit and it drops the spikes to a
few
hundred millivolts
The average current draw is around 250 mA for 2 masters sequences.
Hope this helps. Incidentally the regulator does not get hot.
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Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 20:40:21
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Yes.
I can't find by physical inspection any "wacked out servos" or other issues
that might cause increased current load on the regulator.
So....I'm trying to find the typical (or average) current that should be
seen at any moment (inst
ant) on a meter in-line with the regulator. Then I'll run my set-up and
compare. If I'm in the ball park (less than 1A based on a couple of inputs
so far) then the problem is not related to "wacked out" servos, binding etc.
Colin
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Average current is not the same as instantaneous current, unless the only
current being drawn was just for that single instant in time. Anyway, I will
repeat, with an added quailifer, for the sake of understanding for where to
look to help you solve the problem:
If you are using a JACCIO, Tech-Aero, or whatever regulator in a pattern
setup, even with a YS CDI on a shared output, and if you find that you need
a heat sink, then:
Something Else Is Wrong. Check your setup for binding linkages, stiff
hinges, whacked out servos, whatever.
Seriously, check your setup, OK? Just trying to help here.
Regards
Ed
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Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 10:32:54 -0700
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Actually, if you consumed 200mAhr in 0.25hrs, then your average
(instantaneous) current was 800mA.0D
Colin.
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Colin,
I'm running a different ignition system, but total consumption radio and
ignition) for an entire 15 minute flight is about 200 mah..200 X4 = 800
milliamps for an hour==2 00.8 amps per hour So the
instantaneous current shouldn't be much.
G
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Does anyone know what the current consumption should be at idle/run-up for a
typical YS170/Hyde/all digital servos installation?
I'll stick a Watt's Up meter in there to see how much I'm pulling after the
regulator.
Jim, what's the current limit for continuous operation and spike/inrush for
your regulator?
Colin.
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Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] JR DSM glitch - trouble-shooting.
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I don't believe a bad battery could cause the engine to rev up unless your
battery failsafe isn't set properly. Make sure it is.
The first thing I would look at is the possibility that the throttle servo
is stalled at low speed. That could be pulling the battery/voltage regulator
voltage down and it could recover after you started to throttle up and
removed the heavy load.
Finally I would run a one amp discharge test on the battery after it is
fully charged to see if the battery is near its original capacity. The best
way to
do this is to plot the voltage vs. time taking readings every 5 to 10
minutes.
Hope this helps. Let us know what you find.
Jim
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I had a close call today=2 0with my R921 Rx in an Integral.
I noticed on taxi out that the engine rev'd up and quickly back down without
any command. At first I thought I must have bumped the stick by accident.
Then just before take-off there was no responce from the throttle for a
second or two then it was back. I thought the 170 may have loaded up a lit
tle and didnt respond. It did that one more time before
I aborted the flight. However, I could'nt reproduce the problem in the
pits.
Before powering down, I checked for holds or fades on the data logger - nil.
Battery voltage droped from 8.2V to 7.8V and 7.6 under 1A load. When I
re-charged it took 350mA and I was only on for 3-4 mins.
Now...I did accidentally run the battery down to like 5V during winter but
it did eventually recharge.
I'm using a Jaccio perfect switch/6V regulator, Jaccio 2000mAHr (1 season
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