[NSRCA-discussion] USA CIAM Representative?

Tony tony at radiosouthrc.com
Tue Mar 31 06:02:38 AKDT 2009 

As the AMA District V Vice-President, I can shed light on this subject.

Due to the lack of participation in F3A at any level, I questioned why Chris
Lakin was the USA representative to the CIAM.  

One of the main reasons that Chris took the position years ago was due to
the fact that Ron Chidgey, long time CIAM chairman, was retiring from active
participation in F3A and the CIAM.  Chris pushed to get someone on the CIAM
that was active, and was able to convince AMA President Dave Brown to
appoint him.  This position is filled by appointment from the AMA President.

Chris has not been active for many years now, and I have always felt that we
should keep active people in this position.  The result is that the NSRCA
has not been kept up to date with F3A happenings, nor have they had a
representative voice on the CIAM.  For those reasons, I questioned Dave
Mathewson about this position.  Dave agreed and the NSRCA was asked for a
recommendation.  

Derek responded to Dave Mathewson with a couple of letters.  One said that
the NSRCA Board was looking at candidates and would make a final vote and
recommendation to AMA.

The result of the vote was that Derek was elected and his name was submitted
to Dave Mathewson for appointment to USA CIAM representative for F3A.  Dave
agreed and appointed Derek.  I don't know all the details of the NSRCA Board
work to get to this point.  

AMA feels strongly that the SIG's should have a strong voice in who
represents them, and I agree with that.  Who better to speak on behalf of
pattern than someone that is recommended by the Pattern SIG?  I think Derek
is a GREAT choice and he has already shown he can do the job by winning the
USA bid for the F3A World Champs!

I have been involved with WC before, and I know the amount of work involved.
Derek is up to the task, and I believe that we have a great group of people
in NSRCA that are more than willing to step up and not only make it happen,
but do it with class and style so that the world will see why the USA is a
haven for aerobatics!  

Anyway, I hope this helps everyone to understand.  At least in the case of
Dave Mathewson, choices that are made for these positions are done with the
recommendation of the concerned SIG taken into consideration.  


Tony Stillman, President
Radio South, Inc.
139 Altama Connector, Box 322
Brunswick, GA  31525
1-800-962-7802
www.radiosouthrc.com

-----Original Message-----
From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Earl Haury
Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 7:58 AM
To: General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] USA CIAM Representative?

Rusty

I agree with Ron, selecting the US CIAM Fxx Technical Subcommittee reps is 
the responsibility of the AMA. Their process has not been obvious in years 
past, but understand that there are very few qualified folks who are willing

to serve. Also there is no term limit attached to the job, so the selection 
of a new rep occurs infrequently. This is actually a good thing in that the 
rules cycles cover four years and it takes time to develop respect / 
relationships so as to be effective in the committee. I've been involved 
with F3A competition since 1979 and am only aware of Ron Chidgey and Chris 
Lakin holding the F3A job (Steve Helms was appointed interim rep to replace 
Ron until Chris accepted the job). I find it refreshing that the AMA sought 
recommendations from the NSRCA for a successor to Chris.

It is an important job and US members have contributed immensely to what 
pattern is today through participation and innovation as members / leaders 
of the F3A subcommittees and the CIAM. Check 
http://www.fai.org/aeromodelling/  then "Official" to view the folks 
currently involved. Unfortunately, there is no requirement that our reps 
report back to the US pattern community directly - nor have they been 
required to seek advice regarding the community's wishes.  As we've enjoyed 
very qualified, experienced, respected (by the world pattern community) 
reps, their actions have been in the best interest (IMHO) of pattern and the

US pattern community. The lack of a reporting has let to misunderstanding of

the influence and results provided by the US reps.

The AMA's action of seeking input from the NSRCA for recommendations for the

job speaks of the respect that the AMA has for the current NSRCA. The action

of the NSRCA in taking the imitative to obtain and host the 2011 WC likely 
enhanced this respect. While the NSRCA has no "control" over the F3A rep, we

certainly provide an opportunity for Derek to keep us apprised of 
subcommittee workings via the K-Factor and website / list. I look forward to

the timely transfer of info and activities and I'm sure Derek will consider 
feedback as well.

Maybe the NSRCA should develop a formal process for selecting the best 
candidate for the F3A rep job. This was the first time that we were ask to 
participate. The board members from each district sought candidates and 
solicited resumes. They voted for their preference. I'm proud to have been 
considered and consider it a job well done.

Earl






----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ron Van Putte" <vanputte at cox.net>
To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 10:47 PM
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] USA CIAM Representative?


> Rather than have any NSRCA representative attempt to describe what  AMA's 
> CIAM representative selection process is, my suggestion is that  you 
> contact AMA through your district VP or AVPs and ask them what  their 
> process is.
>
> Ron Van Putte
>
> On Mar 30, 2009, at 10:03 PM, Ali Dose wrote:
>
>> Mr. Van Putte,
>>
>> I appreciate your response and "clearing up" the NSRCA's ability to 
>> "recommend" an individual to the AMA.  Does the AMA accept input  from 
>> others as well?
>>
>> Is it reasonable to assume that there exists some kind of process, 
>> albeit rather informal, that the AMA communicates to the  appropriate 
>> special interest group board (NSRCA in this case)  seeking/asking/has an 
>> interest in/give us a few names of...  e
>> individuals who have the qualifications to be the single most  important 
>> individual representing the USA precision aerobatic  collective?  If they

>> do, could the NSRCA Board "share" this with  the members?
>>
>> Even if one were to "diminish" the precision aerobatic's collective 
>> interest in the position as not that interesting...and assuming  that the

>> leader's of the special interest group recognized the  fantastic 
>> opportunity to communicate the position, articulate the  potential the 
>> candidate could provide to the precision aerobatic  collective, create 
>> enthusiasm and support/cooperation to get stuff  done in the future...The

>> position could be posted on this thread (I  am a big moron it it was 
>> posted here) in the K-Factor (I am a  bigger moron if it was posted 
>> there)?
>>
>> Once again,  Derek is a fine individual.
>>
>> I am requesting the "behind the scenes" process, to insure that in  the 
>> future, every candidate who is qualified, experienced,  passionate about 
>> radio control precision aerobatics has the same  opportunity to learn, 
>> prepare for and be apart of the USA CIAM  representative selection 
>> process.
>>
>> "...Done Deal..." is not a specific enough answer for me.
>>
>> This thread may not be the most appropriate venue to discuss and  may be 
>> reached at my office (312) 580-6838, or this e-mail.
>>
>> Rusty Dose
>> Thrilled for Derek
>> Thrilled for the 2011 World Champs in Muncie
>> Dedicated to all the fine modelers "not always included"
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Van Putte" <vanputte at cox.net>
>> To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>> Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2009 8:51 PM
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] USA CIAM Representative?
>>
>>
>>> Well, the first thing we need to get cleared up is that the  position 
>>> of CIAM representative is an AMA position.  NSRCA does  not have 
>>> anything more than the ability to recommend an  individual.  Ryan  Smith

>>> explained what went on there, so I won't  repeat what he wrote.   AMA 
>>> accepted the recommendation of Derek  as the CIAM representative.   Done

>>> deal.
>>>
>>> Ron Van Putte
>>>
>>> On Mar 26, 2009, at 8:35 PM, Ali Dose wrote:
>>>
>>>> I learned yesterday that "we" have a new CIAM representative,  Derek 
>>>> Koopowitz, who has replaced Chris Lakin.  Apparently,   congratulations

>>>> to Derek.
>>>>
>>>> How is the individual selected?
>>>> Who is on the nominating Committee?
>>>> Is there such a committee?
>>>> How are the candidates views and opinions communicated?
>>>> Who votes?
>>>> Is the NSRCA, as the AMA's FAI F3A special interest group, 
>>>> responsible for the process and then an AMA official, after  careful 
>>>> consideration and review "rubber stamps" the submission?
>>>> Did I need to have a FAI stamp to participate?
>>>> Am I the last to know?
>>>>
>>>> Derek is a fine choice AND there are also a bunch of others who,  I 
>>>> hope, were considered and reviewed...
>>>>
>>>> who have made significant contributions to the sport on the  local, 
>>>> regional and national levels, have significant leadership   experience,

>>>> have attended numerous FAI F3A World Championships as  a  Team member 
>>>> or Manager or Team volunteer, have been involved  at the  highest 
>>>> levels and ample amounts of time to focus on the  role  without 
>>>> distration or other responsibilities...
>>>>
>>>> who also would make excellent contributions and continue the 
>>>> traditions of excellence of our current and past CIAM  representatives.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Respectfully,
>>>>
>>>> Rusty Dose
>>>> Past NSRCA Treasurer
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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