[NSRCA-discussion] USA CIAM Representative?

[Jim Quinn]

Well said Earl! You are a great and honorable man!

Jim Quinn



----- Original Message ----
From: Earl Haury <ejhaury at comcast.net>
To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 7:57:46 AM
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] USA CIAM Representative?

Rusty

I agree with Ron, selecting the US CIAM Fxx Technical Subcommittee reps is the responsibility of the AMA. Their process has not been obvious in years past, but understand that there are very few qualified folks who are willing to serve. Also there is no term limit attached to the job, so the selection of a new rep occurs infrequently. This is actually a good thing in that the rules cycles cover four years and it takes time to develop respect / relationships so as to be effective in the committee. I've been involved with F3A competition since 1979 and am only aware of Ron Chidgey and Chris Lakin holding the F3A job (Steve Helms was appointed interim rep to replace Ron until Chris accepted the job). I find it refreshing that the AMA sought recommendations from the NSRCA for a successor to Chris.

It is an important job and US members have contributed immensely to what pattern is today through participation and innovation as members / leaders of the F3A subcommittees and the CIAM. Check http://www.fai.org/aeromodelling/  then "Official" to view the folks currently involved. Unfortunately, there is no requirement that our reps report back to the US pattern community directly - nor have they been required to seek advice regarding the community's wishes.  As we've enjoyed very qualified, experienced, respected (by the world pattern community) reps, their actions have been in the best interest (IMHO) of pattern and the US pattern community. The lack of a reporting has let to misunderstanding of the influence and results provided by the US reps.

The AMA's action of seeking input from the NSRCA for recommendations for the job speaks of the respect that the AMA has for the current NSRCA. The action of the NSRCA in taking the imitative to obtain and host the 2011 WC likely enhanced this respect. While the NSRCA has no "control" over the F3A rep, we certainly provide an opportunity for Derek to keep us apprised of subcommittee workings via the K-Factor and website / list. I look forward to the timely transfer of info and activities and I'm sure Derek will consider feedback as well.

Maybe the NSRCA should develop a formal process for selecting the best candidate for the F3A rep job. This was the first time that we were ask to participate. The board members from each district sought candidates and solicited resumes. They voted for their preference. I'm proud to have been considered and consider it a job well done.

Earl






----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Van Putte" <vanputte at cox.net>
To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 10:47 PM
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] USA CIAM Representative?


> Rather than have any NSRCA representative attempt to describe what  AMA's CIAM representative selection process is, my suggestion is that  you contact AMA through your district VP or AVPs and ask them what  their process is.
> 
> Ron Van Putte
> 
> On Mar 30, 2009, at 10:03 PM, Ali Dose wrote:
> 
>> Mr. Van Putte,
>> 
>> I appreciate your response and "clearing up" the NSRCA's ability to "recommend" an individual to the AMA.  Does the AMA accept input  from others as well?
>> 
>> Is it reasonable to assume that there exists some kind of process, albeit rather informal, that the AMA communicates to the  appropriate special interest group board (NSRCA in this case)  seeking/asking/has an interest in/give us a few names of...  e
>> individuals who have the qualifications to be the single most  important individual representing the USA precision aerobatic  collective?  If they do, could the NSRCA Board "share" this with  the members?
>> 
>> Even if one were to "diminish" the precision aerobatic's collective interest in the position as not that interesting...and assuming  that the leader's of the special interest group recognized the  fantastic opportunity to communicate the position, articulate the  potential the candidate could provide to the precision aerobatic  collective, create enthusiasm and support/cooperation to get stuff  done in the future...The position could be posted on this thread (I  am a big moron it it was posted here) in the K-Factor (I am a  bigger moron if it was posted there)?
>> 
>> Once again,  Derek is a fine individual.
>> 
>> I am requesting the "behind the scenes" process, to insure that in  the future, every candidate who is qualified, experienced,  passionate about radio control precision aerobatics has the same  opportunity to learn, prepare for and be apart of the USA CIAM  representative selection process.
>> 
>> "...Done Deal..." is not a specific enough answer for me.
>> 
>> This thread may not be the most appropriate venue to discuss and  may be reached at my office (312) 580-6838, or this e-mail.
>> 
>> Rusty Dose
>> Thrilled for Derek
>> Thrilled for the 2011 World Champs in Muncie
>> Dedicated to all the fine modelers "not always included"
>> 
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>> 
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Van Putte" <vanputte at cox.net>
>> To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>> Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2009 8:51 PM
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] USA CIAM Representative?
>> 
>> 
>>> Well, the first thing we need to get cleared up is that the  position of CIAM representative is an AMA position.  NSRCA does  not have anything more than the ability to recommend an  individual.  Ryan  Smith explained what went on there, so I won't  repeat what he wrote.  AMA accepted the recommendation of Derek  as the CIAM representative.  Done deal.
>>> 
>>> Ron Van Putte
>>> 
>>> On Mar 26, 2009, at 8:35 PM, Ali Dose wrote:
>>> 
>>>> I learned yesterday that "we" have a new CIAM representative,  Derek Koopowitz, who has replaced Chris Lakin.  Apparently,  congratulations to Derek.
>>>> 
>>>> How is the individual selected?
>>>> Who is on the nominating Committee?
>>>> Is there such a committee?
>>>> How are the candidates views and opinions communicated?
>>>> Who votes?
>>>> Is the NSRCA, as the AMA's FAI F3A special interest group, responsible for the process and then an AMA official, after  careful consideration and review "rubber stamps" the submission?
>>>> Did I need to have a FAI stamp to participate?
>>>> Am I the last to know?
>>>> 
>>>> Derek is a fine choice AND there are also a bunch of others who,  I hope, were considered and reviewed...
>>>> 
>>>> who have made significant contributions to the sport on the  local, regional and national levels, have significant leadership  experience, have attended numerous FAI F3A World Championships as  a  Team member or Manager or Team volunteer, have been involved  at the  highest levels and ample amounts of time to focus on the  role  without distration or other responsibilities...
>>>> 
>>>> who also would make excellent contributions and continue the traditions of excellence of our current and past CIAM  representatives.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Respectfully,
>>>> 
>>>> Rusty Dose
>>>> Past NSRCA Treasurer
>>>> 
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