[NSRCA-discussion] USA CIAM Representative?
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Tue Mar 31 09:18:05 AKDT 2009
Thanks Tony....
Derek is as fine a choice as we have available. I am certain he will do
a great job representing all of us who compete at the F3A level
Matt Kebabjian
-----Original Message-----
From: Tony <tony at radiosouthrc.com>
To: 'General pattern discussion' <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 10:02 am
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] USA CIAM Representative?
As the AMA District V Vice-President, I can shed light on this subject.
Due to the lack of participation in F3A at any level, I questioned why
Chris
Lakin was the USA representative to the CIAM.
One of the main reasons that Chris took the position years ago was due
to
the fact that Ron Chidgey, long time CIAM chairman, was retiring from
active
participation in F3A and the CIAM. Chris pushed to get someone on the
CIAM
that was active, and was able to convince AMA President Dave Brown to
appoint him. This position is filled by appointment from the AMA
President.
Chris has not been active for many years now, and I have always felt
that we
should keep active people in this position. The result is that the
NSRCA
has not been kept up to date with F3A happenings, nor have they had a
representative voice on the CIAM. For those reasons, I questioned Dave
Mathewson about this position. Dave agreed and the NSRCA was asked for
a
recommendation.
Derek responded to Dave Mathewson with a couple of letters. One said
that
the NSRCA Board was looking at candidates and would make a final vote
and
recommendation to AMA.
The result of the vote was that Derek was elected and his name was
submitted
to Dave Mathewson for appointment to USA CIAM representative for F3A.
Dave
agreed and appointed Derek. I don't know all the details of the NSRCA
Board
work to get to this point.
AMA feels strongly that the SIG's should have a strong voice in who
represents them, and I agree with that. Who better to speak on behalf
of
pattern than someone that is recommended by the Pattern SIG? I think
Derek
is a GREAT choice and he has already shown he can do the job by winning
the
USA bid for the F3A World Champs!
I have been involved with WC before, and I know the amount of work
involved.
Derek is up to the task, and I believe that we have a great group of
people
in NSRCA that are more than willing to step up and not only make it
happen,
but do it with class and style so that the world will see why the USA
is a
haven for aerobatics!
Anyway, I hope this helps everyone to understand. At least in the case
of
Dave Mathewson, choices that are made for these positions are done with
the
recommendation of the concerned SIG taken into consideration.
Tony Stillman, President
Radio South, Inc.
139 Altama Connector, Box 322
Brunswick, GA 31525
1-800-962-7802
www.radiosouthrc.com
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[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Earl
Haury
Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 7:58 AM
To: General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] USA CIAM Representative?
Rusty
I agree with Ron, selecting the US CIAM Fxx Technical Subcommittee reps
is
the responsibility of the AMA. Their process has not been obvious in
years
past, but understand that there are very few qualified folks who are
willing
to serve. Also there is no term limit attached to the job, so the
selection
of a new rep occurs infrequently. This is actually a good thing in that
the
rules cycles cover four years and it takes time to develop respect /
relationships so as to be effective in the committee. I've been
involved
with F3A competition since 1979 and am only aware of Ron Chidgey and
Chris
Lakin holding the F3A job (Steve Helms was appointed interim rep to
replace
Ron until Chris accepted the job). I find it refreshing that the AMA
sought
recommendations from the NSRCA for a successor to Chris.
It is an important job and US members have contributed immensely to
what
pattern is today through participation and innovation as members /
leaders
of the F3A subcommittees and the CIAM. Check
http://www.fai.org/aeromodelling/ then "Official" to view the folks
currently involved. Unfortunately, there is no requirement that our
reps
report back to the US pattern community directly - nor have they been
required to seek advice regarding the community's wishes. As we've
enjoyed
very qualified, experienced, respected (by the world pattern community)
reps, their actions have been in the best interest (IMHO) of pattern
and the
US pattern community. The lack of a reporting has let to
misunderstanding of
the influence and results provided by the US reps.
The AMA's action of seeking input from the NSRCA for recommendations
for the
job speaks of the respect that the AMA has for the current NSRCA. The
action
of the NSRCA in taking the imitative to obtain and host the 2011 WC
likely
enhanced this respect. While the NSRCA has no "control" over the F3A
rep, we
certainly provide an opportunity for Derek to keep us apprised of
subcommittee workings via the K-Factor and website / list. I look
forward to
the timely transfer of info and activities and I'm sure Derek will
consider
feedback as well.
Maybe the NSRCA should develop a formal process for selecting the best
candidate for the F3A rep job. This was the first time that we were ask
to
participate. The board members from each district sought candidates and
solicited resumes. They voted for their preference. I'm proud to have
been
considered and consider it a job well done.
Earl
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron Van Putte" <vanputte at cox.net>
To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 10:47 PM
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] USA CIAM Representative?
> Rather than have any NSRCA representative attempt to describe what
AMA's
> CIAM representative selection process is, my suggestion is that you
> contact AMA through your district VP or AVPs and ask them what their
> process is.
>
> Ron Van Putte
>
> On Mar 30, 2009, at 10:03 PM, Ali Dose wrote:
>
>> Mr. Van Putte,
>>
>> I appreciate your response and "clearing up" the NSRCA's ability to
>> "recommend" an individual to the AMA. Does the AMA accept input
from
>> others as well?
>>
>> Is it reasonable to assume that there exists some kind of process,
>> albeit rather informal, that the AMA communicates to the
appropriate
>> special interest group board (NSRCA in this case)
seeking/asking/has an
>> interest in/give us a few names of... e
>> individuals who have the qualifications to be the single most
important
>> individual representing the USA precision aerobatic collective? If
they
>> do, could the NSRCA Board "share" this with the members?
>>
>> Even if one were to "diminish" the precision aerobatic's collective
>> interest in the position as not that interesting...and assuming
that the
>> leader's of the special interest group recognized the fantastic
>> opportunity to communicate the position, articulate the potential
the
>> candidate could provide to the precision aerobatic collective,
create
>> enthusiasm and support/cooperation to get stuff done in the
future...The
>> position could be posted on this thread (I am a big moron it it was
>> posted here) in the K-Factor (I am a bigger moron if it was posted
>> there)?
>>
>> Once again, Derek is a fine individual.
>>
>> I am requesting the "behind the scenes" process, to insure that in
the
>> future, every candidate who is qualified, experienced, passionate
about
>> radio control precision aerobatics has the same opportunity to
learn,
>> prepare for and be apart of the USA CIAM representative selection
>> process.
>>
>> "...Done Deal..." is not a specific enough answer for me.
>>
>> This thread may not be the most appropriate venue to discuss and
may be
>> reached at my office (312) 580-6838, or this e-mail.
>>
>> Rusty Dose
>> Thrilled for Derek
>> Thrilled for the 2011 World Champs in Muncie
>> Dedicated to all the fine modelers "not always included"
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Van Putte" <vanputte at cox.net>
>> To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>> Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2009 8:51 PM
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] USA CIAM Representative?
>>
>>
>>> Well, the first thing we need to get cleared up is that the
position
>>> of CIAM representative is an AMA position. NSRCA does not have
>>> anything more than the ability to recommend an individual. Ryan
Smith
>>> explained what went on there, so I won't repeat what he wrote.
AMA
>>> accepted the recommendation of Derek as the CIAM representative.
Done
>>> deal.
>>>
>>> Ron Van Putte
>>>
>>> On Mar 26, 2009, at 8:35 PM, Ali Dose wrote:
>>>
>>>> I learned yesterday that "we" have a new CIAM representative,
Derek
>>>> Koopowitz, who has replaced Chris Lakin. Apparently,
congratulations
>>>> to Derek.
>>>>
>>>> How is the individual selected?
>>>> Who is on the nominating Committee?
>>>> Is there such a committee?
>>>> How are the candidates views and opinions communicated?
>>>> Who votes?
>>>> Is the NSRCA, as the AMA's FAI F3A special interest group,
>>>> responsible for the process and then an AMA official, after
careful
>>>> consideration and review "rubber stamps" the submission?
>>>> Did I need to have a FAI stamp to participate?
>>>> Am I the last to know?
>>>>
>>>> Derek is a fine choice AND there are also a bunch of others who,
I
>>>> hope, were considered and reviewed...
>>>>
>>>> who have made significant contributions to the sport on the
local,
>>>> regional and national levels, have significant leadership
experience,
>>>> have attended numerous FAI F3A World Championships as a Team
member
>>>> or Manager or Team volunteer, have been involved at the highest
>>>> levels and ample amounts of time to focus on the role without
>>>> distration or other responsibilities...
>>>>
>>>> who also would make excellent contributions and continue the
>>>> traditions of excellence of our current and past CIAM
representatives.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Respectfully,
>>>>
>>>> Rusty Dose
>>>> Past NSRCA Treasurer
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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