[NSRCA-discussion] Judging Questions

George W.Kennie geobet4 at verizon.net
Mon Mar 2 11:01:18 AKST 2009 

That's funny Bill,

Ron Lockhart looked over my shoulder and watched my scores and declared me 
way too lenient. I think maybe my bark is worse...........................





----- Original Message ----- 
From: "billglaze" <billglaze at bellsouth.net>
To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 1:19 PM
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Judging Questions


> Not you, Georgie: I've seen you judge, and you're too tough!  I need a 
> Santa Claus anymore!<G>  Bill
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "George W.Kennie" <geobet4 at verizon.net>
> To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 1:11 PM
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Judging Questions
>
>
>>I want to be the judge !
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "billglaze" <billglaze at bellsouth.net>
>> To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>> Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 12:48 PM
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Judging Questions
>>
>>
>>> After I see it, I'll try it, Ron, but it has to be you talking me 
>>> through it!<G>  Bill
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "Ron Van Putte" <vanputte at cox.net>
>>> To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>>> Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 12:35 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Judging Questions
>>>
>>>
>>>>I have heard that several pilots have tried to demonstrate the Double 
>>>>Weedon, but you really must go up to the Michigan/Ohio area to see it 
>>>>done by the Master.
>>>>
>>>> Ron
>>>>
>>>> On Mar 2, 2009, at 11:13 AM, billglaze wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Roger that, Bob; along the same lines, I still haven't been 
>>>>> privileged enough to witness a Double Weedon; I understand and  agree 
>>>>> my aeronautical schooling has been sadly 
>>>>> lacking........................ Bill Glaze
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: Bob Kane
>>>>> To: General pattern discussion
>>>>> Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 12:09 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Judging Questions
>>>>>
>>>>> <snip>  . . . . .And yup, I agree, It's got to be a physical 
>>>>> impossibility to enter and exit a Split Esse at the same altitude.  I 
>>>>> think that needs correcting.
>>>>>
>>>>> I've come close by performing an ugly 1/2  barrel roll  first . . . . 
>>>>> . ;)
>>>>>
>>>>> Bob Kane
>>>>> getterflash at yahoo.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> From: George W.Kennie <geobet4 at verizon.net>
>>>>> To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>>>>> Sent: Monday, March 2, 2009 11:15:23 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Judging Questions
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Bill,
>>>>>
>>>>> This is probably inaccurate, but I notice that noone else has 
>>>>> responded to your inquiry so just to prove that I have not learned  my 
>>>>> lesson, here goes.
>>>>>
>>>>> In the landing descriptor it states, " there is no down grade if  the 
>>>>> model rolls to a stop within 15 meters".   I think the crucial  word 
>>>>> is STOP !   What does this mean to proper execution?   How  many times 
>>>>> have you seen a plane touch down perfectly within one  meter of the 
>>>>> center line and then proceed to roll perfectly  straight down the 
>>>>> center of the runway without a single bounce for  a distance of 150 
>>>>> feet?  A little hot maybe, but to most observers,  a beautiful 
>>>>> landing. In light of the "Stop within 15 meters"  stipulation, it 
>>>>> would appear that this becomes a downgradeable  offence. Sounds, to 
>>>>> me, like maybe it's the pilot's responsibility  to also control the 
>>>>> approach airspeed so that touchdown occurs just  above stall speed 
>>>>> controlling the rollout distance, but maybe  somebody will correct me 
>>>>> on this. I think this would also cover stuff like flipovers after the 
>>>>> 15 meter rollout.
>>>>>
>>>>> If the pilot performs a landing and meets all the above  requirements 
>>>>> and then encounters an obstacle, whether that be a  hole or a hummock 
>>>>> or whatever, I would deem the execution faultless  and rule "beyond 
>>>>> the pilot's control" and score a 10.  Flipovers  usually occur as a 
>>>>> result of either the plane being outside the  landing zone or 
>>>>> equipment malfunction ( stuck wheel e.t.c.) and  would require 
>>>>> discretionary judgement on the part of the scorer.
>>>>>
>>>>> And yup, I agree, It's got to be a physical impossibility to enter 
>>>>> and exit a Split Esse at the same altitude. I think that needs 
>>>>> correcting.
>>>>>
>>>>> Of course, all this is my opinionated interpretation of matters and 
>>>>> should be so received.
>>>>>
>>>>> G.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: billglaze
>>>>> To: nsrca- discussion
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, March 01, 2009 4:30 PM
>>>>> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Judging Questions
>>>>>
>>>>> At the risk of starting another downwind turn discussion:
>>>>>
>>>>> I've been reading over the excellent PowerPoint presentation, and  I'd 
>>>>> like a question answered that I've had for a long time.
>>>>> On landing, if the plane overturns AT ANY TIME is it an automatic 
>>>>> zero? I've felt for a long time that it should be, yet I've had 
>>>>> people tell me "after 50 ft. landing roll, we've completely lost 
>>>>> interest in the airplane."  It can roll anywhere, do anything, and  it 
>>>>> doesn't affect the score, is their idea.
>>>>> Also, if it TOUCHES DOWN in the landing zone, and then rolls 
>>>>> immediately into what awaits, (in some cases, a small canyon) is  the 
>>>>> landing zeroed? I've been called for doing so once.
>>>>> Secondly, in reading the presentation for Intermediate, it states  for 
>>>>> the Split S:  A downgrade if the entry and exit are not at the  same 
>>>>> altitude.  Seems to me to be an error that slipped by, but  I've been 
>>>>> wrong before. (Honest; yes, it's happened!)<G>  I've been  known to 
>>>>> incorrectly read/interpret also.  Standing by for the more 
>>>>> knowledgeable brains on the list!
>>>>> thanks
>>>>> Bill Glaze
>>>>> NSRCA 2388
>>>>>
>>>>>
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