[NSRCA-discussion] Judging Questions

billglaze billglaze at bellsouth.net
Mon Mar 2 09:19:48 AKST 2009 

Not you, Georgie: I've seen you judge, and you're too tough!  I need a Santa 
Claus anymore!<G>  Bill
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "George W.Kennie" <geobet4 at verizon.net>
To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 1:11 PM
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Judging Questions


>I want to be the judge !
>
>
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> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "billglaze" <billglaze at bellsouth.net>
> To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 12:48 PM
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Judging Questions
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>> After I see it, I'll try it, Ron, but it has to be you talking me through 
>> it!<G>  Bill
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Ron Van Putte" <vanputte at cox.net>
>> To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>> Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 12:35 PM
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Judging Questions
>>
>>
>>>I have heard that several pilots have tried to demonstrate the Double 
>>>Weedon, but you really must go up to the Michigan/Ohio area to see it 
>>>done by the Master.
>>>
>>> Ron
>>>
>>> On Mar 2, 2009, at 11:13 AM, billglaze wrote:
>>>
>>>> Roger that, Bob; along the same lines, I still haven't been  privileged 
>>>> enough to witness a Double Weedon; I understand and  agree my 
>>>> aeronautical schooling has been sadly  lacking........................ 
>>>> Bill Glaze
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: Bob Kane
>>>> To: General pattern discussion
>>>> Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 12:09 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Judging Questions
>>>>
>>>> <snip>  . . . . .And yup, I agree, It's got to be a physical 
>>>> impossibility to enter and exit a Split Esse at the same altitude.  I 
>>>> think that needs correcting.
>>>>
>>>> I've come close by performing an ugly 1/2  barrel roll  first . . . . . 
>>>> ;)
>>>>
>>>> Bob Kane
>>>> getterflash at yahoo.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> From: George W.Kennie <geobet4 at verizon.net>
>>>> To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>>>> Sent: Monday, March 2, 2009 11:15:23 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Judging Questions
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Bill,
>>>>
>>>> This is probably inaccurate, but I notice that noone else has 
>>>> responded to your inquiry so just to prove that I have not learned  my 
>>>> lesson, here goes.
>>>>
>>>> In the landing descriptor it states, " there is no down grade if  the 
>>>> model rolls to a stop within 15 meters".   I think the crucial  word is 
>>>> STOP !   What does this mean to proper execution?   How  many times 
>>>> have you seen a plane touch down perfectly within one  meter of the 
>>>> center line and then proceed to roll perfectly  straight down the 
>>>> center of the runway without a single bounce for  a distance of 150 
>>>> feet?  A little hot maybe, but to most observers,  a beautiful landing. 
>>>> In light of the "Stop within 15 meters"  stipulation, it would appear 
>>>> that this becomes a downgradeable  offence. Sounds, to me, like maybe 
>>>> it's the pilot's responsibility  to also control the approach airspeed 
>>>> so that touchdown occurs just  above stall speed controlling the 
>>>> rollout distance, but maybe  somebody will correct me on this. I think 
>>>> this would also cover stuff like flipovers after the 15 meter rollout.
>>>>
>>>> If the pilot performs a landing and meets all the above  requirements 
>>>> and then encounters an obstacle, whether that be a  hole or a hummock 
>>>> or whatever, I would deem the execution faultless  and rule "beyond the 
>>>> pilot's control" and score a 10.  Flipovers  usually occur as a result 
>>>> of either the plane being outside the  landing zone or equipment 
>>>> malfunction ( stuck wheel e.t.c.) and  would require discretionary 
>>>> judgement on the part of the scorer.
>>>>
>>>> And yup, I agree, It's got to be a physical impossibility to enter  and 
>>>> exit a Split Esse at the same altitude. I think that needs  correcting.
>>>>
>>>> Of course, all this is my opinionated interpretation of matters and 
>>>> should be so received.
>>>>
>>>> G.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: billglaze
>>>> To: nsrca- discussion
>>>> Sent: Sunday, March 01, 2009 4:30 PM
>>>> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Judging Questions
>>>>
>>>> At the risk of starting another downwind turn discussion:
>>>>
>>>> I've been reading over the excellent PowerPoint presentation, and  I'd 
>>>> like a question answered that I've had for a long time.
>>>> On landing, if the plane overturns AT ANY TIME is it an automatic 
>>>> zero? I've felt for a long time that it should be, yet I've had  people 
>>>> tell me "after 50 ft. landing roll, we've completely lost  interest in 
>>>> the airplane."  It can roll anywhere, do anything, and  it doesn't 
>>>> affect the score, is their idea.
>>>> Also, if it TOUCHES DOWN in the landing zone, and then rolls 
>>>> immediately into what awaits, (in some cases, a small canyon) is  the 
>>>> landing zeroed? I've been called for doing so once.
>>>> Secondly, in reading the presentation for Intermediate, it states  for 
>>>> the Split S:  A downgrade if the entry and exit are not at the  same 
>>>> altitude.  Seems to me to be an error that slipped by, but  I've been 
>>>> wrong before. (Honest; yes, it's happened!)<G>  I've been  known to 
>>>> incorrectly read/interpret also.  Standing by for the more 
>>>> knowledgeable brains on the list!
>>>> thanks
>>>> Bill Glaze
>>>> NSRCA 2388
>>>>
>>>>
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