[NSRCA-discussion] Judging Questions

George W.Kennie geobet4 at verizon.net
Mon Mar 2 09:12:15 AKST 2009 

I want to be the judge !



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "billglaze" <billglaze at bellsouth.net>
To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 12:48 PM
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Judging Questions


> After I see it, I'll try it, Ron, but it has to be you talking me through 
> it!<G>  Bill
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Ron Van Putte" <vanputte at cox.net>
> To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 12:35 PM
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Judging Questions
>
>
>>I have heard that several pilots have tried to demonstrate the Double 
>>Weedon, but you really must go up to the Michigan/Ohio area to see it 
>>done by the Master.
>>
>> Ron
>>
>> On Mar 2, 2009, at 11:13 AM, billglaze wrote:
>>
>>> Roger that, Bob; along the same lines, I still haven't been  privileged 
>>> enough to witness a Double Weedon; I understand and  agree my 
>>> aeronautical schooling has been sadly  lacking........................ 
>>> Bill Glaze
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: Bob Kane
>>> To: General pattern discussion
>>> Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 12:09 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Judging Questions
>>>
>>> <snip>  . . . . .And yup, I agree, It's got to be a physical 
>>> impossibility to enter and exit a Split Esse at the same altitude.  I 
>>> think that needs correcting.
>>>
>>> I've come close by performing an ugly 1/2  barrel roll  first . . . . . 
>>> ;)
>>>
>>> Bob Kane
>>> getterflash at yahoo.com
>>>
>>>
>>> From: George W.Kennie <geobet4 at verizon.net>
>>> To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>>> Sent: Monday, March 2, 2009 11:15:23 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Judging Questions
>>>
>>>
>>> Bill,
>>>
>>> This is probably inaccurate, but I notice that noone else has  responded 
>>> to your inquiry so just to prove that I have not learned  my lesson, 
>>> here goes.
>>>
>>> In the landing descriptor it states, " there is no down grade if  the 
>>> model rolls to a stop within 15 meters".   I think the crucial  word is 
>>> STOP !   What does this mean to proper execution?   How  many times have 
>>> you seen a plane touch down perfectly within one  meter of the center 
>>> line and then proceed to roll perfectly  straight down the center of the 
>>> runway without a single bounce for  a distance of 150 feet?  A little 
>>> hot maybe, but to most observers,  a beautiful landing. In light of the 
>>> "Stop within 15 meters"  stipulation, it would appear that this becomes 
>>> a downgradeable  offence. Sounds, to me, like maybe it's the pilot's 
>>> responsibility  to also control the approach airspeed so that touchdown 
>>> occurs just  above stall speed controlling the rollout distance, but 
>>> maybe  somebody will correct me on this. I think this would also cover 
>>> stuff like flipovers after the 15 meter rollout.
>>>
>>> If the pilot performs a landing and meets all the above  requirements 
>>> and then encounters an obstacle, whether that be a  hole or a hummock or 
>>> whatever, I would deem the execution faultless  and rule "beyond the 
>>> pilot's control" and score a 10.  Flipovers  usually occur as a result 
>>> of either the plane being outside the  landing zone or equipment 
>>> malfunction ( stuck wheel e.t.c.) and  would require discretionary 
>>> judgement on the part of the scorer.
>>>
>>> And yup, I agree, It's got to be a physical impossibility to enter  and 
>>> exit a Split Esse at the same altitude. I think that needs  correcting.
>>>
>>> Of course, all this is my opinionated interpretation of matters and 
>>> should be so received.
>>>
>>> G.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: billglaze
>>> To: nsrca- discussion
>>> Sent: Sunday, March 01, 2009 4:30 PM
>>> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Judging Questions
>>>
>>> At the risk of starting another downwind turn discussion:
>>>
>>> I've been reading over the excellent PowerPoint presentation, and  I'd 
>>> like a question answered that I've had for a long time.
>>> On landing, if the plane overturns AT ANY TIME is it an automatic  zero? 
>>> I've felt for a long time that it should be, yet I've had  people tell 
>>> me "after 50 ft. landing roll, we've completely lost  interest in the 
>>> airplane."  It can roll anywhere, do anything, and  it doesn't affect 
>>> the score, is their idea.
>>> Also, if it TOUCHES DOWN in the landing zone, and then rolls 
>>> immediately into what awaits, (in some cases, a small canyon) is  the 
>>> landing zeroed? I've been called for doing so once.
>>> Secondly, in reading the presentation for Intermediate, it states  for 
>>> the Split S:  A downgrade if the entry and exit are not at the  same 
>>> altitude.  Seems to me to be an error that slipped by, but  I've been 
>>> wrong before. (Honest; yes, it's happened!)<G>  I've been  known to 
>>> incorrectly read/interpret also.  Standing by for the more 
>>> knowledgeable brains on the list!
>>> thanks
>>> Bill Glaze
>>> NSRCA 2388
>>>
>>>
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