[NSRCA-discussion] Judging Questions

[billglaze]

After I see it, I'll try it, Ron, but it has to be you talking me through 
it!<G>  Bill
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ron Van Putte" <vanputte at cox.net>
To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 12:35 PM
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Judging Questions


>I have heard that several pilots have tried to demonstrate the Double 
>Weedon, but you really must go up to the Michigan/Ohio area to see it  done 
>by the Master.
>
> Ron
>
> On Mar 2, 2009, at 11:13 AM, billglaze wrote:
>
>> Roger that, Bob; along the same lines, I still haven't been  privileged 
>> enough to witness a Double Weedon; I understand and  agree my 
>> aeronautical schooling has been sadly  lacking........................ 
>> Bill Glaze
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Bob Kane
>> To: General pattern discussion
>> Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 12:09 PM
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Judging Questions
>>
>> <snip>  . . . . .And yup, I agree, It's got to be a physical 
>> impossibility to enter and exit a Split Esse at the same altitude.  I 
>> think that needs correcting.
>>
>> I've come close by performing an ugly 1/2  barrel roll  first . . . . . 
>> ;)
>>
>> Bob Kane
>> getterflash at yahoo.com
>>
>>
>> From: George W.Kennie <geobet4 at verizon.net>
>> To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>> Sent: Monday, March 2, 2009 11:15:23 AM
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Judging Questions
>>
>>
>> Bill,
>>
>> This is probably inaccurate, but I notice that noone else has  responded 
>> to your inquiry so just to prove that I have not learned  my lesson, here 
>> goes.
>>
>> In the landing descriptor it states, " there is no down grade if  the 
>> model rolls to a stop within 15 meters".   I think the crucial  word is 
>> STOP !   What does this mean to proper execution?   How  many times have 
>> you seen a plane touch down perfectly within one  meter of the center 
>> line and then proceed to roll perfectly  straight down the center of the 
>> runway without a single bounce for  a distance of 150 feet?  A little hot 
>> maybe, but to most observers,  a beautiful landing. In light of the "Stop 
>> within 15 meters"  stipulation, it would appear that this becomes a 
>> downgradeable  offence. Sounds, to me, like maybe it's the pilot's 
>> responsibility  to also control the approach airspeed so that touchdown 
>> occurs just  above stall speed controlling the rollout distance, but 
>> maybe  somebody will correct me on this. I think this would also cover 
>> stuff like flipovers after the 15 meter rollout.
>>
>> If the pilot performs a landing and meets all the above  requirements and 
>> then encounters an obstacle, whether that be a  hole or a hummock or 
>> whatever, I would deem the execution faultless  and rule "beyond the 
>> pilot's control" and score a 10.  Flipovers  usually occur as a result of 
>> either the plane being outside the  landing zone or equipment malfunction 
>> ( stuck wheel e.t.c.) and  would require discretionary judgement on the 
>> part of the scorer.
>>
>> And yup, I agree, It's got to be a physical impossibility to enter  and 
>> exit a Split Esse at the same altitude. I think that needs  correcting.
>>
>> Of course, all this is my opinionated interpretation of matters and 
>> should be so received.
>>
>> G.
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: billglaze
>> To: nsrca- discussion
>> Sent: Sunday, March 01, 2009 4:30 PM
>> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Judging Questions
>>
>> At the risk of starting another downwind turn discussion:
>>
>> I've been reading over the excellent PowerPoint presentation, and  I'd 
>> like a question answered that I've had for a long time.
>> On landing, if the plane overturns AT ANY TIME is it an automatic  zero? 
>> I've felt for a long time that it should be, yet I've had  people tell me 
>> "after 50 ft. landing roll, we've completely lost  interest in the 
>> airplane."  It can roll anywhere, do anything, and  it doesn't affect the 
>> score, is their idea.
>> Also, if it TOUCHES DOWN in the landing zone, and then rolls  immediately 
>> into what awaits, (in some cases, a small canyon) is  the landing zeroed? 
>> I've been called for doing so once.
>> Secondly, in reading the presentation for Intermediate, it states  for 
>> the Split S:  A downgrade if the entry and exit are not at the  same 
>> altitude.  Seems to me to be an error that slipped by, but  I've been 
>> wrong before. (Honest; yes, it's happened!)<G>  I've been  known to 
>> incorrectly read/interpret also.  Standing by for the more  knowledgeable 
>> brains on the list!
>> thanks
>> Bill Glaze
>> NSRCA 2388
>>
>>
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