[NSRCA-discussion] Judging Questions

[Ron Van Putte]

I have heard that several pilots have tried to demonstrate the Double  
Weedon, but you really must go up to the Michigan/Ohio area to see it  
done by the Master.

Ron

On Mar 2, 2009, at 11:13 AM, billglaze wrote:

> Roger that, Bob; along the same lines, I still haven't been  
> privileged enough to witness a Double Weedon; I understand and  
> agree my aeronautical schooling has been sadly  
> lacking........................ Bill Glaze
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Bob Kane
> To: General pattern discussion
> Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 12:09 PM
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Judging Questions
>
> <snip>  . . . . .And yup, I agree, It's got to be a physical  
> impossibility to enter and exit a Split Esse at the same altitude.  
> I think that needs correcting.
>
> I've come close by performing an ugly 1/2  barrel roll  
> first . . . . . ;)
>
> Bob Kane
> getterflash at yahoo.com
>
>
> From: George W.Kennie <geobet4 at verizon.net>
> To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> Sent: Monday, March 2, 2009 11:15:23 AM
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Judging Questions
>
>
> Bill,
>
> This is probably inaccurate, but I notice that noone else has  
> responded to your inquiry so just to prove that I have not learned  
> my lesson, here goes.
>
> In the landing descriptor it states, " there is no down grade if  
> the model rolls to a stop within 15 meters".   I think the crucial  
> word is STOP !   What does this mean to proper execution?   How  
> many times have you seen a plane touch down perfectly within one  
> meter of the center line and then proceed to roll perfectly  
> straight down the center of the runway without a single bounce for  
> a distance of 150 feet?  A little hot maybe, but to most observers,  
> a beautiful landing. In light of the "Stop within 15 meters"  
> stipulation, it would appear that this becomes a downgradeable  
> offence. Sounds, to me, like maybe it's the pilot's responsibility  
> to also control the approach airspeed so that touchdown occurs just  
> above stall speed controlling the rollout distance, but maybe  
> somebody will correct me on this. I think this would also cover  
> stuff like flipovers after the 15 meter rollout.
>
> If the pilot performs a landing and meets all the above  
> requirements and then encounters an obstacle, whether that be a  
> hole or a hummock or whatever, I would deem the execution faultless  
> and rule "beyond the pilot's control" and score a 10.  Flipovers  
> usually occur as a result of either the plane being outside the  
> landing zone or equipment malfunction ( stuck wheel e.t.c.) and  
> would require discretionary judgement on the part of the scorer.
>
> And yup, I agree, It's got to be a physical impossibility to enter  
> and exit a Split Esse at the same altitude. I think that needs  
> correcting.
>
> Of course, all this is my opinionated interpretation of matters and  
> should be so received.
>
> G.
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: billglaze
> To: nsrca- discussion
> Sent: Sunday, March 01, 2009 4:30 PM
> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Judging Questions
>
> At the risk of starting another downwind turn discussion:
>
> I've been reading over the excellent PowerPoint presentation, and  
> I'd like a question answered that I've had for a long time.
> On landing, if the plane overturns AT ANY TIME is it an automatic  
> zero?  I've felt for a long time that it should be, yet I've had  
> people tell me "after 50 ft. landing roll, we've completely lost  
> interest in the airplane."  It can roll anywhere, do anything, and  
> it doesn't affect the score, is their idea.
> Also, if it TOUCHES DOWN in the landing zone, and then rolls  
> immediately into what awaits, (in some cases, a small canyon) is  
> the landing zeroed?  I've been called for doing so once.
> Secondly, in reading the presentation for Intermediate, it states  
> for the Split S:  A downgrade if the entry and exit are not at the  
> same altitude.  Seems to me to be an error that slipped by, but  
> I've been wrong before. (Honest; yes, it's happened!)<G>  I've been  
> known to incorrectly read/interpret also.  Standing by for the more  
> knowledgeable brains on the list!
> thanks
> Bill Glaze
> NSRCA 2388
>
>
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