[NSRCA-discussion] Happy New Year

[Ron Van Putte]

Geez!  I'd forgotten about that.

Ron VP

On Jan 7, 2009, at 7:20 PM, billglaze wrote:

> Ron:
> Remember the bulls painted on the runway as a landing multiplier?   
> There were a lot of gymnastics performed to try and hit the  
> center.  And, some of them were even done with an airplane!!<G> Bill
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Van Putte" <vanputte at cox.net>
> To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 7:21 PM
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Happy New Year
>
>
>> Yeah, and the landing and taxi back to the box were scored too.   
>> That  was right after dirt was invented, but before the round  
>> wheel was  invented.
>>
>> Ron VP
>>
>> On Jan 7, 2009, at 5:59 PM, billglaze wrote:
>>
>>> And when we did those 3 "maneuvers" in the 50's, they were  
>>> followed  by a figure 8, the crossover point of which was  
>>> directly over the  heads of the pilot and judges.(!)  That  
>>> completed the "compulsory"  portion of the pattern.  Other than,  
>>> of course, the taxi out,  (scored) and takeoff (scored.)
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Burton" <burtona at atmc.net>
>>> To: "'General pattern discussion'" <nsrca- 
>>> discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 5:07 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Happy New Year
>>>
>>>
>>>> SFO, Procedure turn, SFB were never one maneuver as I remember   
>>>> back in the
>>>> early 70's when I was flying them. They were always 3 maneuvers   
>>>> judged and
>>>> scored separately.
>>>> BTW, I hope they never put those 3 in the FAI schedules. They  
>>>> are  by far the
>>>> most difficult sequence to do correctly of any I've ever flown.   
>>>> It's been a
>>>> long time, if ever, since I've given a 10 on a procedure turn.   
>>>> It's still in
>>>> the SPA schedule and it's still rare to see a good one.
>>>> Dave Burton
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
>>>> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Doug
>>>> Cronkhite
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 4:26 PM
>>>> To: General pattern discussion
>>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Happy New Year
>>>>
>>>> Great.. so the judging guide conflicts with itself even.
>>>>
>>>> Maneuver 3 states that since the stall turn (a turnaround   
>>>> maneuver) is
>>>> between straight flight out and straight flight back, it's entry  
>>>> and
>>>> exit altitude should be the same.
>>>>
>>>> Then in maneuver 5, there is a specific note that since the 1/2   
>>>> reverse
>>>> cuban 8 is a turnaround maneuver, its entry and exit altitude  
>>>> may differ.
>>>>
>>>> IF the straight flight out, turnaround, and straight flight  
>>>> back  were 1
>>>> maneuver as they used to be (SFO, procedure turn, SFB) the the   
>>>> relative
>>>> altitude would be a judging criteria. However, since these are 3
>>>> separate maneuvers, the performance of one maneuver MAY NOT be   
>>>> used as a
>>>> judging criteria for another. To quote another part of the  
>>>> judging handbook:
>>>>
>>>> "*Be independent*. Ignore the scores of other judges. Do not  
>>>> converse
>>>> about scores. Score each maneuver on its individual value. Dismiss
>>>> consideration of each maneuver as soon as you record its score."
>>>>
>>>> Doug
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> J N Hiller wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I said I was finished once but you guys are having way too much
>>>>> trouble with this turnaround altitude issue.
>>>>>
>>>>> Here is the link to the NSRCA Judging Section. Just click on  
>>>>> Sportsman.
>>>>>
>>>>> http://nsrca.us/judginghome.html
>>>>>
>>>>> Jim
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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