[NSRCA-discussion] Flash Poll - Relocate the Nats in 2010?
Tony
tony at radiosouthrc.com
Sun Aug 2 13:30:13 AKDT 2009
Ron:
The EC is actually trying to find out how our USA fee is determined. We
have been told it is based on our membership. Well, as 150K, we have the
most, no doubt, but my point is that we should pay for competitors (less
than 1500). If we have to create some form of competition membership in
order to divide this out, then we need to do that.
Tony Stillman, President
Radio South, Inc.
139 Altama Connector, Box 322
Brunswick, GA 31525
1-800-962-7802
www.radiosouthrc.com
-----Original Message-----
From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Ronald Van
Putte
Sent: Saturday, August 01, 2009 10:41 PM
To: General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Flash Poll - Relocate the Nats in 2010?
I don't understand the problem. How was it decided that the U.S.A.
would pay more than any other country? If it was us, we can just
tell the FAI that we changed our mind. If somebody else told us that
we need to pay more than any other country, we need to tell them to
think again. What is the penalty if we don't pay more than German,
Japan and France? Will we get shafted by the FAI? How could we tell
the difference?
Ron VP
On Aug 1, 2009, at 8:54 PM, Tony wrote:
> Boy, would we LOVE to pay for only FAI stamp holders! We have been
> looking
> into ways to reduce our cost. Like the United Nations, the US pays
> more
> than all other countries! We are a LEVEL ONE, there are NO level
> 2's and
> German, Japan and France are the Level 3's. They pay MUCH less
> than the
> USA.... Not fair at all!
>
> The same income that comes from competitors.... zero. You have to
> remember
> that AMA HQ only gets a small percentage of your entry fee. That
> helps to
> offset the cost of having staff on site running the events and
> setting up
> and tearing down for events, putting up tents, renting golf carts,
> Ice,
> etc...
>
>
>
> Tony Stillman, President
> Radio South, Inc.
> 139 Altama Connector, Box 322
> Brunswick, GA 31525
> 1-800-962-7802
> www.radiosouthrc.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of John
> Fuqua
> Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 6:08 PM
> To: 'General pattern discussion'
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Flash Poll - Relocate the Nats in
> 2010?
>
> Tony
> Whatever happened to the idea that AMA should pay FAI based on the
> number of
> AMA members holding an FAI stamp. After all they are the only ones
> that go
> to WCs or other FAI events.
>
> And by the way. What income does AMA derive from sport flyers
> dropping by?
> Does anyone other than the competitors pay for use of the site for
> modeling
> purposes??
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Tony
> Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 1:15 PM
> To: 'General pattern discussion'
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Flash Poll - Relocate the Nats in
> 2010?
>
> Bill:
> I had stated this several times before on this discussion group.
> Many VP's
> have lots of pressure from sport pilots that don't give a &%$* about
> competition. The facts are that less than 1% of the AMA membership
> competes
> officially in a sanctioned event. It become difficult as to why we
> have to
> pay FAI almost $100,000 each year just for the right to represent
> the USA in
> FAI events/planning! The cost of running the competition
> department at HQ
> who handles sanctions/rule books/FAI events and World Champs adds
> to the
> overall cost of AMA.
>
>
>
> Remember, I AM FOR COMPETITION! It is just difficult to debate it
> with
> other council members that just see it as a cost we could eliminate
> as 99%
> of the membership does not want it...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Tony Stillman, President
>
> Radio South, Inc.
>
> 139 Altama Connector, Box 322
>
> Brunswick, GA 31525
>
> 1-800-962-7802
>
> www.radiosouthrc.com
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Bill
> Glaze
> Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 2:05 PM
> To: General pattern discussion
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Flash Poll - Relocate the Nats in
> 2010?
>
>
>
> Tony:
>
> I am, (and I'm sure the rest of us agree on this) grateful that
> you're a
> voice on the council. I also recognize that demographics change in
> this
> hobby. I'm old enough to remember, (though faintly!<G>) when hand-
> launch
> gliders were a very big part of the sport, as an example of changed
> demos.
> And, at one time, U-Control speed was a big name.
>
> But if those individuals on the council want to eliminate the Nats,
> it seems
> to me that they are eliminating a large incentive for even
> belonging to the
> AMA. (Leaving aside the insurance, for these purposes, which can
> be handled
> by other means.)
>
> Surely, it's only gentlemanly to accomodate others when possible.
> But, it
> seems to me that the others owe it to the rest of us to at least
> check and
> see what's going on in Muncie before they stake their vacation on
> sport
> flying a day or so there. (As an example.) For example; I wouldn't
> consider riding my Triumph(s) into Sturgis during August; I make it
> during
> October. (Weather's friendlier, anyway!)
>
> But, it's news to me that AMA people want to eliminate the
> Nationals; I'll
> bet it's news to a lot of the folks in this discussion. And, not
> to beat a
> dead horse, but seems to me that AMA has abrogated a lot of their
> responsibility for the Nats once they handed them over to the
> various SIGS.
> (No complaint from me on this one.) Still and all, my feeling is
> that one of
> the main reasons AMA exists, as has been mentioned, is
> competition. In
> fact, that was one of the reasons for their founding, in 1936. Or
> so I see
> it.
>
> Bill Glaze
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: Tony <mailto:tony at radiosouthrc.com>
>
> To: jpavlick at idseng.com ; 'General pattern discussion'
> <mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>
> Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 1:29 PM
>
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Flash Poll - Relocate the Nats in
> 2010?
>
>
>
> John:
> It is a tough crowd!! LOL.
>
>
>
> Bill:
> I am a big Competition fan and will support competition to the end.
> However, I am just about the only one left on the council that does
> support
> it. Many want the NATS eliminated completely.
>
>
>
> The NATS has 1st priority on field use. If a sport pilot drives up
> and wants to fly, they have to wait until competition is over. The
> NATS
> does not cave to sport pilots, but we should accommodate them when
> we can.
>
>
>
> Tony Stillman, President
>
> Radio South, Inc.
>
> 139 Altama Connector, Box 322
>
> Brunswick, GA 31525
>
> 1-800-962-7802
>
> www.radiosouthrc.com
>
>
> ________________________________
>
>
> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of John
> Pavlick
> Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 12:58 PM
> To: General pattern discussion
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Flash Poll - Relocate the Nats in
> 2010?
>
>
>
> Tony,
>
> And you thought I was acting mean. Tough crowd here... LOL
>
>
>
> John Pavlick
>
> --- On Fri, 7/31/09, Bill Glaze <billglaze at bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
>
> From: Bill Glaze <billglaze at bellsouth.net>
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Flash Poll - Relocate the Nats in
> 2010?
> To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> Date: Friday, July 31, 2009, 12:48 PM
>
> Ed: I agree. If the AMA is going to cave to those locals who are
> inconvenienced by their not having access during Nats,, perhaps the
> AMA
> should limit their membership to only include those locals, and
> eliminate
> all other "outside" activities.. I'm sure that their numbers could
> support
> the entire AMA and all the peripherals. Yeah, Right. (Upkeep on
> the site,
> etc. as well as running the general association.)
>
> Inasmuch as my only inconvenience is a good-sized hotel bill, and
> about 1600 miles (total) on my vehicle, I guess elimination of this
> "inconvenience" (the Nats) would be an asset. And, because of
> where I am, I
> readily recognize my "inconvenience" is a lot less than some
> others, who are
> coming from further.
>
> Bill Glaze
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: Ed Alt
> <http://us.mc805.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=ed_alt@hotmail.com>
>
> To: 'General pattern discussion'
> <http://us.mc805.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=nsrca-
> discussion at lists.nsrca.o
> rg>
>
> Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 8:47 AM
>
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Flash Poll - Relocate the
> Nats in 2010?
>
>
>
> I wish to register a complaint. What form do I sign? :-)
> The AMA site is inconveniently located for my normal weekend
> practice. Why
> are my dues supporting a tiny fraction of AMA membership to have
> access to a
> flying site that I can't drive to easily? In other words, who
> cares about
> the complaints of the locals. It's OUR site and the vocal minority
> have
> exclusive access for the rest of the year. Tough noogies.
>
>
>
> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Joe
> Lachowski
> Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 8:36 AM
> To: NSRCA Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Flash Poll - Relocate the Nats in
> 2010?
>
>
>
> It really isn't just about cutting costs either. It is also about
> other AMA
> membership complaining about the site not being available for their
> use. You
> would not believe the number of complaints AMA has had about the
> AMA site
> being tied up. That is why the overall Nats at the site has been
> shortened
> in length.
>
> If you are on 72, better plan on moving over to SS in the future.
> I've heard
> rumours that the AMA has been considering making the AMA site SS
> only in the
> future.
>
>
> ________________________________
>
> Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2009 20:57:16 -0700
> From: homeremodeling2003 at yahoo.com
> To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Flash Poll - Relocate the Nats in
> 2010?
>
> This is really funny. They want to bring the nats to 2 weeks to cut
> costs. I
> am sure they make money the way it is. Take this for what it is,
> heresay,
> but I heard that the members of the club were complaining that the
> nats
> takes too much of their time away from their field for them to fly.
> Wasn't
> the field built for a localized nats site? And I'm pretty sure we
> all paid
> for it. The ama will lose out if they go to a 2 weeks nats IMO.
> Wait till
> they see entry's decline.
>
> Chris
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --- On Thu, 7/30/09, Tony <tony at radiosouthrc.com> wrote:
>
>
> From: Tony <tony at radiosouthrc.com>
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Flash Poll - Relocate the Nats in
> 2010?
> To: "'General pattern discussion'" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> Date: Thursday, July 30, 2009, 12:55 PM
>
> That is a possibility also. AMA is thinking about returning the
> NATS to a 2
> week all-events NATS like used to be done. If all events are
> together, HQ
> can put all costs into one effort. If they are all split up, Each
> group
> would have more costs to deal with due to the fact that HQ can't
> send a
> group of people to every site.
>
>
>
> Tony Stillman, President
>
> Radio South, Inc.
>
> 139 Altama Connector, Box 322
>
> Brunswick, GA 31525
>
> 1-800-962-7802
>
> www.radiosouthrc.com
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Tim
> Taylor
> Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2009 3:39 PM
> To: General pattern discussion
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Flash Poll - Relocate the Nats in
> 2010?
>
>
>
> It was done, It was called NPAC
>
>
>
> Tim
>
> --- On Thu, 7/30/09, Bill's Email <wemodels at cox.net> wrote:
>
>
> From: Bill's Email <wemodels at cox.net>
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Flash Poll - Relocate the Nats in
> 2010?
> To: " General pattern discussion "
> <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> Date: Thursday, July 30, 2009, 2:06 PM
>
> Why not allow the SIGS to do their own thing? IMAC and NSRCA do not
> need to
> share a site. The LSF can find a site for the soaring NATS. Pylon
> knows what
> venues work for them and so on. FF can do their own thing as well.
> Why tie
> soaring and FF together and so on??
>
>
> Tony wrote:
>
> Matt:
> Yes, it is just difficult to tell if it is actually feasible. The
> problem
> is that it requires a large site for Pattern/Pylon/IMAC and will
> require
> another large site for Soaring/Outdoor FF. It may be very
> difficult to
> actually find places that can handle this group.
>
>
>
>
>
> Tony Stillman, President
>
> Radio South, Inc.
>
> 139 Altama Connector, Box 322
>
> Brunswick, GA 31525
>
> 1-800-962-7802
>
> www.radiosouthrc.com <http://www.radiosouthrc.com/>
>
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