[NSRCA-discussion] Flash Poll - Relocate the Nats in 2010?
Bill Glaze
billglaze at bellsouth.net
Sun Aug 2 17:27:45 AKDT 2009
There's gotta be a way. Ron is right. Level the playing field. Bill Glaze
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tony" <tony at radiosouthrc.com>
To: "'General pattern discussion'" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2009 5:30 PM
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Flash Poll - Relocate the Nats in 2010?
> Ron:
> The EC is actually trying to find out how our USA fee is determined. We
> have been told it is based on our membership. Well, as 150K, we have the
> most, no doubt, but my point is that we should pay for competitors (less
> than 1500). If we have to create some form of competition membership in
> order to divide this out, then we need to do that.
>
>
> Tony Stillman, President
> Radio South, Inc.
> 139 Altama Connector, Box 322
> Brunswick, GA 31525
> 1-800-962-7802
> www.radiosouthrc.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Ronald Van
> Putte
> Sent: Saturday, August 01, 2009 10:41 PM
> To: General pattern discussion
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Flash Poll - Relocate the Nats in 2010?
>
> I don't understand the problem. How was it decided that the U.S.A.
> would pay more than any other country? If it was us, we can just
> tell the FAI that we changed our mind. If somebody else told us that
> we need to pay more than any other country, we need to tell them to
> think again. What is the penalty if we don't pay more than German,
> Japan and France? Will we get shafted by the FAI? How could we tell
> the difference?
>
> Ron VP
>
> On Aug 1, 2009, at 8:54 PM, Tony wrote:
>
>> Boy, would we LOVE to pay for only FAI stamp holders! We have been
>> looking
>> into ways to reduce our cost. Like the United Nations, the US pays
>> more
>> than all other countries! We are a LEVEL ONE, there are NO level
>> 2's and
>> German, Japan and France are the Level 3's. They pay MUCH less
>> than the
>> USA.... Not fair at all!
>>
>> The same income that comes from competitors.... zero. You have to
>> remember
>> that AMA HQ only gets a small percentage of your entry fee. That
>> helps to
>> offset the cost of having staff on site running the events and
>> setting up
>> and tearing down for events, putting up tents, renting golf carts,
>> Ice,
>> etc...
>>
>>
>>
>> Tony Stillman, President
>> Radio South, Inc.
>> 139 Altama Connector, Box 322
>> Brunswick, GA 31525
>> 1-800-962-7802
>> www.radiosouthrc.com
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
>> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of John
>> Fuqua
>> Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 6:08 PM
>> To: 'General pattern discussion'
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Flash Poll - Relocate the Nats in
>> 2010?
>>
>> Tony
>> Whatever happened to the idea that AMA should pay FAI based on the
>> number of
>> AMA members holding an FAI stamp. After all they are the only ones
>> that go
>> to WCs or other FAI events.
>>
>> And by the way. What income does AMA derive from sport flyers
>> dropping by?
>> Does anyone other than the competitors pay for use of the site for
>> modeling
>> purposes??
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
>> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Tony
>> Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 1:15 PM
>> To: 'General pattern discussion'
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Flash Poll - Relocate the Nats in
>> 2010?
>>
>> Bill:
>> I had stated this several times before on this discussion group.
>> Many VP's
>> have lots of pressure from sport pilots that don't give a &%$* about
>> competition. The facts are that less than 1% of the AMA membership
>> competes
>> officially in a sanctioned event. It become difficult as to why we
>> have to
>> pay FAI almost $100,000 each year just for the right to represent
>> the USA in
>> FAI events/planning! The cost of running the competition
>> department at HQ
>> who handles sanctions/rule books/FAI events and World Champs adds
>> to the
>> overall cost of AMA.
>>
>>
>>
>> Remember, I AM FOR COMPETITION! It is just difficult to debate it
>> with
>> other council members that just see it as a cost we could eliminate
>> as 99%
>> of the membership does not want it...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Tony Stillman, President
>>
>> Radio South, Inc.
>>
>> 139 Altama Connector, Box 322
>>
>> Brunswick, GA 31525
>>
>> 1-800-962-7802
>>
>> www.radiosouthrc.com
>>
>> ________________________________
>>
>> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
>> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Bill
>> Glaze
>> Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 2:05 PM
>> To: General pattern discussion
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Flash Poll - Relocate the Nats in
>> 2010?
>>
>>
>>
>> Tony:
>>
>> I am, (and I'm sure the rest of us agree on this) grateful that
>> you're a
>> voice on the council. I also recognize that demographics change in
>> this
>> hobby. I'm old enough to remember, (though faintly!<G>) when hand-
>> launch
>> gliders were a very big part of the sport, as an example of changed
>> demos.
>> And, at one time, U-Control speed was a big name.
>>
>> But if those individuals on the council want to eliminate the Nats,
>> it seems
>> to me that they are eliminating a large incentive for even
>> belonging to the
>> AMA. (Leaving aside the insurance, for these purposes, which can
>> be handled
>> by other means.)
>>
>> Surely, it's only gentlemanly to accomodate others when possible.
>> But, it
>> seems to me that the others owe it to the rest of us to at least
>> check and
>> see what's going on in Muncie before they stake their vacation on
>> sport
>> flying a day or so there. (As an example.) For example; I wouldn't
>> consider riding my Triumph(s) into Sturgis during August; I make it
>> during
>> October. (Weather's friendlier, anyway!)
>>
>> But, it's news to me that AMA people want to eliminate the
>> Nationals; I'll
>> bet it's news to a lot of the folks in this discussion. And, not
>> to beat a
>> dead horse, but seems to me that AMA has abrogated a lot of their
>> responsibility for the Nats once they handed them over to the
>> various SIGS.
>> (No complaint from me on this one.) Still and all, my feeling is
>> that one of
>> the main reasons AMA exists, as has been mentioned, is
>> competition. In
>> fact, that was one of the reasons for their founding, in 1936. Or
>> so I see
>> it.
>>
>> Bill Glaze
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>>
>> From: Tony <mailto:tony at radiosouthrc.com>
>>
>> To: jpavlick at idseng.com ; 'General pattern discussion'
>> <mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>>
>> Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 1:29 PM
>>
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Flash Poll - Relocate the Nats in
>> 2010?
>>
>>
>>
>> John:
>> It is a tough crowd!! LOL.
>>
>>
>>
>> Bill:
>> I am a big Competition fan and will support competition to the end.
>> However, I am just about the only one left on the council that does
>> support
>> it. Many want the NATS eliminated completely.
>>
>>
>>
>> The NATS has 1st priority on field use. If a sport pilot drives up
>> and wants to fly, they have to wait until competition is over. The
>> NATS
>> does not cave to sport pilots, but we should accommodate them when
>> we can.
>>
>>
>>
>> Tony Stillman, President
>>
>> Radio South, Inc.
>>
>> 139 Altama Connector, Box 322
>>
>> Brunswick, GA 31525
>>
>> 1-800-962-7802
>>
>> www.radiosouthrc.com
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>>
>>
>> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
>> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of John
>> Pavlick
>> Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 12:58 PM
>> To: General pattern discussion
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Flash Poll - Relocate the Nats in
>> 2010?
>>
>>
>>
>> Tony,
>>
>> And you thought I was acting mean. Tough crowd here... LOL
>>
>>
>>
>> John Pavlick
>>
>> --- On Fri, 7/31/09, Bill Glaze <billglaze at bellsouth.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>> From: Bill Glaze <billglaze at bellsouth.net>
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Flash Poll - Relocate the Nats in
>> 2010?
>> To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>> Date: Friday, July 31, 2009, 12:48 PM
>>
>> Ed: I agree. If the AMA is going to cave to those locals who are
>> inconvenienced by their not having access during Nats,, perhaps the
>> AMA
>> should limit their membership to only include those locals, and
>> eliminate
>> all other "outside" activities.. I'm sure that their numbers could
>> support
>> the entire AMA and all the peripherals. Yeah, Right. (Upkeep on
>> the site,
>> etc. as well as running the general association.)
>>
>> Inasmuch as my only inconvenience is a good-sized hotel bill, and
>> about 1600 miles (total) on my vehicle, I guess elimination of this
>> "inconvenience" (the Nats) would be an asset. And, because of
>> where I am, I
>> readily recognize my "inconvenience" is a lot less than some
>> others, who are
>> coming from further.
>>
>> Bill Glaze
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>>
>> From: Ed Alt
>> <http://us.mc805.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=ed_alt@hotmail.com>
>>
>> To: 'General pattern discussion'
>> <http://us.mc805.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=nsrca-
>> discussion at lists.nsrca.o
>> rg>
>>
>> Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 8:47 AM
>>
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Flash Poll - Relocate the
>> Nats in 2010?
>>
>>
>>
>> I wish to register a complaint. What form do I sign? :-)
>> The AMA site is inconveniently located for my normal weekend
>> practice. Why
>> are my dues supporting a tiny fraction of AMA membership to have
>> access to a
>> flying site that I can't drive to easily? In other words, who
>> cares about
>> the complaints of the locals. It's OUR site and the vocal minority
>> have
>> exclusive access for the rest of the year. Tough noogies.
>>
>>
>>
>> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
>> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Joe
>> Lachowski
>> Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 8:36 AM
>> To: NSRCA Discussion List
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Flash Poll - Relocate the Nats in
>> 2010?
>>
>>
>>
>> It really isn't just about cutting costs either. It is also about
>> other AMA
>> membership complaining about the site not being available for their
>> use. You
>> would not believe the number of complaints AMA has had about the
>> AMA site
>> being tied up. That is why the overall Nats at the site has been
>> shortened
>> in length.
>>
>> If you are on 72, better plan on moving over to SS in the future.
>> I've heard
>> rumours that the AMA has been considering making the AMA site SS
>> only in the
>> future.
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>>
>> Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2009 20:57:16 -0700
>> From: homeremodeling2003 at yahoo.com
>> To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Flash Poll - Relocate the Nats in
>> 2010?
>>
>> This is really funny. They want to bring the nats to 2 weeks to cut
>> costs. I
>> am sure they make money the way it is. Take this for what it is,
>> heresay,
>> but I heard that the members of the club were complaining that the
>> nats
>> takes too much of their time away from their field for them to fly.
>> Wasn't
>> the field built for a localized nats site? And I'm pretty sure we
>> all paid
>> for it. The ama will lose out if they go to a 2 weeks nats IMO.
>> Wait till
>> they see entry's decline.
>>
>> Chris
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --- On Thu, 7/30/09, Tony <tony at radiosouthrc.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> From: Tony <tony at radiosouthrc.com>
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Flash Poll - Relocate the Nats in
>> 2010?
>> To: "'General pattern discussion'" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>> Date: Thursday, July 30, 2009, 12:55 PM
>>
>> That is a possibility also. AMA is thinking about returning the
>> NATS to a 2
>> week all-events NATS like used to be done. If all events are
>> together, HQ
>> can put all costs into one effort. If they are all split up, Each
>> group
>> would have more costs to deal with due to the fact that HQ can't
>> send a
>> group of people to every site.
>>
>>
>>
>> Tony Stillman, President
>>
>> Radio South, Inc.
>>
>> 139 Altama Connector, Box 322
>>
>> Brunswick, GA 31525
>>
>> 1-800-962-7802
>>
>> www.radiosouthrc.com
>>
>> ________________________________
>>
>> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
>> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Tim
>> Taylor
>> Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2009 3:39 PM
>> To: General pattern discussion
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Flash Poll - Relocate the Nats in
>> 2010?
>>
>>
>>
>> It was done, It was called NPAC
>>
>>
>>
>> Tim
>>
>> --- On Thu, 7/30/09, Bill's Email <wemodels at cox.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>> From: Bill's Email <wemodels at cox.net>
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Flash Poll - Relocate the Nats in
>> 2010?
>> To: " General pattern discussion "
>> <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>> Date: Thursday, July 30, 2009, 2:06 PM
>>
>> Why not allow the SIGS to do their own thing? IMAC and NSRCA do not
>> need to
>> share a site. The LSF can find a site for the soaring NATS. Pylon
>> knows what
>> venues work for them and so on. FF can do their own thing as well.
>> Why tie
>> soaring and FF together and so on??
>>
>>
>> Tony wrote:
>>
>> Matt:
>> Yes, it is just difficult to tell if it is actually feasible. The
>> problem
>> is that it requires a large site for Pattern/Pylon/IMAC and will
>> require
>> another large site for Soaring/Outdoor FF. It may be very
>> difficult to
>> actually find places that can handle this group.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Tony Stillman, President
>>
>> Radio South, Inc.
>>
>> 139 Altama Connector, Box 322
>>
>> Brunswick, GA 31525
>>
>> 1-800-962-7802
>>
>> www.radiosouthrc.com <http://www.radiosouthrc.com/>
>>
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