[NSRCA-discussion] Flash Poll - Relocate the Nats in 2010?
Phil Spelt
chuenkan at comcast.net
Sun Aug 2 04:11:34 AKDT 2009
Ron, you have hit on the crucial questions!!!!
At 10:41 PM 8/1/2009, you wrote:
>I don't understand the problem.... What is the penalty if we don't
>pay more than Germany, Japan and France? Will we get shafted by
>the FAI? How could we tell the difference?
>
>Ron VP
>
>On Aug 1, 2009, at 8:54 PM, Tony wrote:
>
>>Boy, would we LOVE to pay for only FAI stamp holders! We have been
>>looking
>>into ways to reduce our cost. Like the United Nations, the US pays
>>more
>>than all other countries! We are a LEVEL ONE, there are NO level
>>2's and
>>German, Japan and France are the Level 3's. They pay MUCH less
>>than the
>>USA.... Not fair at all!
>>
>>The same income that comes from competitors.... zero. You have to
>>remember
>>that AMA HQ only gets a small percentage of your entry fee. That
>>helps to
>>offset the cost of having staff on site running the events and
>>setting up
>>and tearing down for events, putting up tents, renting golf carts,
>>Ice,
>>etc...
>>
>>
>>
>>Tony Stillman, President
>>Radio South, Inc.
>>139 Altama Connector, Box 322
>>Brunswick, GA 31525
>>1-800-962-7802
>>www.radiosouthrc.com
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
>>[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of John
>>Fuqua
>>Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 6:08 PM
>>To: 'General pattern discussion'
>>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Flash Poll - Relocate the Nats in
>>2010?
>>
>>Tony
>>Whatever happened to the idea that AMA should pay FAI based on the
>>number of
>>AMA members holding an FAI stamp. After all they are the only ones
>>that go
>>to WCs or other FAI events.
>>
>>And by the way. What income does AMA derive from sport flyers
>>dropping by?
>>Does anyone other than the competitors pay for use of the site for
>>modeling
>>purposes??
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
>>[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Tony
>>Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 1:15 PM
>>To: 'General pattern discussion'
>>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Flash Poll - Relocate the Nats in
>>2010?
>>
>>Bill:
>>I had stated this several times before on this discussion group.
>>Many VP's
>>have lots of pressure from sport pilots that don't give a &%$* about
>>competition. The facts are that less than 1% of the AMA membership
>>competes
>>officially in a sanctioned event. It become difficult as to why we
>>have to
>>pay FAI almost $100,000 each year just for the right to represent
>>the USA in
>>FAI events/planning! The cost of running the competition
>>department at HQ
>>who handles sanctions/rule books/FAI events and World Champs adds
>>to the
>>overall cost of AMA.
>>
>>
>>
>>Remember, I AM FOR COMPETITION! It is just difficult to debate it
>>with
>>other council members that just see it as a cost we could eliminate
>>as 99%
>>of the membership does not want it...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Tony Stillman, President
>>
>>Radio South, Inc.
>>
>>139 Altama Connector, Box 322
>>
>>Brunswick, GA 31525
>>
>>1-800-962-7802
>>
>>www.radiosouthrc.com
>>
>>________________________________
>>
>>From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
>>[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Bill
>>Glaze
>>Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 2:05 PM
>>To: General pattern discussion
>>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Flash Poll - Relocate the Nats in
>>2010?
>>
>>
>>
>>Tony:
>>
>>I am, (and I'm sure the rest of us agree on this) grateful that
>>you're a
>>voice on the council. I also recognize that demographics change in
>>this
>>hobby. I'm old enough to remember, (though faintly!<G>) when hand- launch
>>gliders were a very big part of the sport, as an example of changed
>>demos.
>>And, at one time, U-Control speed was a big name.
>>
>>But if those individuals on the council want to eliminate the Nats,
>>it seems
>>to me that they are eliminating a large incentive for even
>>belonging to the
>>AMA. (Leaving aside the insurance, for these purposes, which can
>>be handled
>>by other means.)
>>
>>Surely, it's only gentlemanly to accomodate others when possible.
>>But, it
>>seems to me that the others owe it to the rest of us to at least
>>check and
>>see what's going on in Muncie before they stake their vacation on
>>sport
>>flying a day or so there. (As an example.) For example; I wouldn't
>>consider riding my Triumph(s) into Sturgis during August; I make it
>>during
>>October. (Weather's friendlier, anyway!)
>>
>>But, it's news to me that AMA people want to eliminate the
>>Nationals; I'll
>>bet it's news to a lot of the folks in this discussion. And, not
>>to beat a
>>dead horse, but seems to me that AMA has abrogated a lot of their
>>responsibility for the Nats once they handed them over to the
>>various SIGS.
>>(No complaint from me on this one.) Still and all, my feeling is
>>that one of
>>the main reasons AMA exists, as has been mentioned, is
>>competition. In
>>fact, that was one of the reasons for their founding, in 1936. Or
>>so I see
>>it.
>>
>>Bill Glaze
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>>
>> From: Tony <mailto:tony at radiosouthrc.com>
>>
>> To: jpavlick at idseng.com ; 'General pattern discussion'
>><mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>>
>> Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 1:29 PM
>>
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Flash Poll - Relocate the Nats in
>>2010?
>>
>>
>>
>> John:
>> It is a tough crowd!! LOL.
>>
>>
>>
>> Bill:
>> I am a big Competition fan and will support competition to the end.
>>However, I am just about the only one left on the council that does
>>support
>>it. Many want the NATS eliminated completely.
>>
>>
>>
>> The NATS has 1st priority on field use. If a sport pilot drives up
>>and wants to fly, they have to wait until competition is over. The
>>NATS
>>does not cave to sport pilots, but we should accommodate them when
>>we can.
>>
>>
>>
>> Tony Stillman, President
>>
>> Radio South, Inc.
>>
>> 139 Altama Connector, Box 322
>>
>> Brunswick, GA 31525
>>
>> 1-800-962-7802
>>
>> www.radiosouthrc.com
>>
>>
>>________________________________
>>
>>
>> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
>>[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of John
>>Pavlick
>> Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 12:58 PM
>> To: General pattern discussion
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Flash Poll - Relocate the Nats in
>>2010?
>>
>>
>>
>>Tony,
>>
>> And you thought I was acting mean. Tough crowd here... LOL
>>
>>
>>
>>John Pavlick
>>
>>--- On Fri, 7/31/09, Bill Glaze <billglaze at bellsouth.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>> From: Bill Glaze <billglaze at bellsouth.net>
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Flash Poll - Relocate the Nats in
>>2010?
>> To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>> Date: Friday, July 31, 2009, 12:48 PM
>>
>> Ed: I agree. If the AMA is going to cave to those locals who are
>>inconvenienced by their not having access during Nats,, perhaps the
>>AMA
>>should limit their membership to only include those locals, and
>>eliminate
>>all other "outside" activities.. I'm sure that their numbers could
>>support
>>the entire AMA and all the peripherals. Yeah, Right. (Upkeep on
>>the site,
>>etc. as well as running the general association.)
>>
>> Inasmuch as my only inconvenience is a good-sized hotel bill, and
>>about 1600 miles (total) on my vehicle, I guess elimination of this
>>"inconvenience" (the Nats) would be an asset. And, because of
>>where I am, I
>>readily recognize my "inconvenience" is a lot less than some
>>others, who are
>>coming from further.
>>
>> Bill Glaze
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>>
>> From: Ed Alt
>><http://us.mc805.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=ed_alt@hotmail.com>
>>
>> To: 'General pattern discussion'
>><http://us.mc805.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=nsrca-
>>discussion at lists.nsrca.o> rg>
>>
>> Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 8:47 AM
>>
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Flash Poll - Relocate the
>>Nats in 2010?
>>
>>
>>
>> I wish to register a complaint. What form do I sign? :-)
>>The AMA site is inconveniently located for my normal weekend
>>practice. Why
>>are my dues supporting a tiny fraction of AMA membership to have
>>access to a
>>flying site that I can't drive to easily? In other words, who
>>cares about
>>the complaints of the locals. It's OUR site and the vocal minority
>>have
>>exclusive access for the rest of the year. Tough noogies.
>>
>>
>>
>> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
>>[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Joe
>>Lachowski
>> Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 8:36 AM
>> To: NSRCA Discussion List
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Flash Poll - Relocate the Nats in
>>2010?
>>
>>
>>
>>It really isn't just about cutting costs either. It is also about
>>other AMA
>>membership complaining about the site not being available for their
>>use. You
>>would not believe the number of complaints AMA has had about the
>>AMA site
>>being tied up. That is why the overall Nats at the site has been
>>shortened
>>in length.
>>
>>If you are on 72, better plan on moving over to SS in the future.
>>I've heard
>>rumours that the AMA has been considering making the AMA site SS
>>only in the
>>future.
>>
>>
>>________________________________
>>
>>Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2009 20:57:16 -0700
>>From: homeremodeling2003 at yahoo.com
>>To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Flash Poll - Relocate the Nats in
>>2010?
>>
>>This is really funny. They want to bring the nats to 2 weeks to cut
>>costs. I
>>am sure they make money the way it is. Take this for what it is,
>>heresay,
>>but I heard that the members of the club were complaining that the
>>nats
>>takes too much of their time away from their field for them to fly.
>>Wasn't
>>the field built for a localized nats site? And I'm pretty sure we
>>all paid
>>for it. The ama will lose out if they go to a 2 weeks nats IMO.
>>Wait till
>>they see entry's decline.
>>
>>Chris
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>--- On Thu, 7/30/09, Tony <tony at radiosouthrc.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>From: Tony <tony at radiosouthrc.com>
>>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Flash Poll - Relocate the Nats in
>>2010?
>>To: "'General pattern discussion'" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>>Date: Thursday, July 30, 2009, 12:55 PM
>>
>>That is a possibility also. AMA is thinking about returning the
>>NATS to a 2
>>week all-events NATS like used to be done. If all events are
>>together, HQ
>>can put all costs into one effort. If they are all split up, Each
>>group
>>would have more costs to deal with due to the fact that HQ can't
>>send a
>>group of people to every site.
>>
>>
>>
>>Tony Stillman, President
>>
>>Radio South, Inc.
>>
>>139 Altama Connector, Box 322
>>
>>Brunswick, GA 31525
>>
>>1-800-962-7802
>>
>>www.radiosouthrc.com
>>
>>________________________________
>>
>>From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
>>[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Tim
>>Taylor
>>Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2009 3:39 PM
>>To: General pattern discussion
>>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Flash Poll - Relocate the Nats in
>>2010?
>>
>>
>>
>>It was done, It was called NPAC
>>
>>
>>
>>Tim
>>
>>--- On Thu, 7/30/09, Bill's Email <wemodels at cox.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>> From: Bill's Email <wemodels at cox.net>
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Flash Poll - Relocate the Nats in
>>2010?
>> To: " General pattern discussion "
>><nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>> Date: Thursday, July 30, 2009, 2:06 PM
>>
>>Why not allow the SIGS to do their own thing? IMAC and NSRCA do not
>>need to
>>share a site. The LSF can find a site for the soaring NATS. Pylon
>>knows what
>>venues work for them and so on. FF can do their own thing as well.
>>Why tie
>>soaring and FF together and so on??
>>
>>
>>Tony wrote:
>>
>>Matt:
>>Yes, it is just difficult to tell if it is actually feasible. The
>>problem
>>is that it requires a large site for Pattern/Pylon/IMAC and will
>>require
>>another large site for Soaring/Outdoor FF. It may be very
>>difficult to
>>actually find places that can handle this group.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Tony Stillman, President
>>
>>Radio South, Inc.
>>
>>139 Altama Connector, Box 322
>>
>>Brunswick, GA 31525
>>
>> 1-800-962-7802
>>
>>www.radiosouthrc.com <http://www.radiosouthrc.com/>
>>
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