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<font size=3>Ron, you have hit on the crucial questions!!!!<br><br>
At 10:41 PM 8/1/2009, you wrote:<br>
<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite="">I don't understand the
problem.... What is the penalty if we don't pay more than
Germany, Japan and France?
</font><font size=3 color="#0000FF"><b>Will we get shafted by the
FAI? How could we tell the
difference?</b></font><font size=3><br><br>
Ron VP<br><br>
On Aug 1, 2009, at 8:54 PM, Tony wrote:<br><br>
<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite="">Boy, would we LOVE to pay for
only FAI stamp holders! We have been <br>
looking<br>
into ways to reduce our cost. Like the United Nations, the US
pays <br>
more<br>
than all other countries! We are a LEVEL ONE, there are NO
level <br>
2's and<br>
German, Japan and France are the Level 3's. They pay MUCH
less <br>
than the<br>
USA.... Not fair at all!<br><br>
The same income that comes from competitors.... zero. You
have to <br>
remember<br>
that AMA HQ only gets a small percentage of your entry fee.
That <br>
helps to<br>
offset the cost of having staff on site running the events and
<br>
setting up<br>
and tearing down for events, putting up tents, renting golf carts,
<br>
Ice,<br>
etc...<br><br>
<br><br>
Tony Stillman, President<br>
Radio South, Inc.<br>
139 Altama Connector, Box 322<br>
Brunswick, GA 31525<br>
1-800-962-7802<br>
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John <br>
Fuqua<br>
Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 6:08 PM<br>
To: 'General pattern discussion'<br>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Flash Poll - Relocate the Nats in
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2010?<br><br>
Tony<br>
Whatever happened to the idea that AMA should pay FAI based on the
<br>
number of<br>
AMA members holding an FAI stamp. After all they are the only
ones <br>
that go<br>
to WCs or other FAI events.<br><br>
And by the way. What income does AMA derive from sport flyers
<br>
dropping by?<br>
Does anyone other than the competitors pay for use of the site for
<br>
modeling<br>
purposes??<br><br>
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Tony<br>
Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 1:15 PM<br>
To: 'General pattern discussion'<br>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Flash Poll - Relocate the Nats in
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2010?<br><br>
Bill:<br>
I had stated this several times before on this discussion
group. <br>
Many VP's<br>
have lots of pressure from sport pilots that don't give a &%$*
about<br>
competition. The facts are that less than 1% of the AMA
membership <br>
competes<br>
officially in a sanctioned event. It become difficult as to why
we <br>
have to<br>
pay FAI almost $100,000 each year just for the right to represent
<br>
the USA in<br>
FAI events/planning! The cost of running the competition
<br>
department at HQ<br>
who handles sanctions/rule books/FAI events and World Champs adds
<br>
to the<br>
overall cost of AMA.<br><br>
<br><br>
Remember, I AM FOR COMPETITION! It is just difficult to
debate it <br>
with<br>
other council members that just see it as a cost we could eliminate
<br>
as 99%<br>
of the membership does not want it...<br><br>
<br><br>
<br><br>
<br><br>
Tony Stillman, President<br><br>
Radio South, Inc.<br><br>
139 Altama Connector, Box 322<br><br>
Brunswick, GA 31525<br><br>
1-800-962-7802<br><br>
<a href="http://www.radiosouthrc.com/" eudora="autourl">
www.radiosouthrc.com</a><br><br>
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mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>] On Behalf Of
Bill <br>
Glaze<br>
Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 2:05 PM<br>
To: General pattern discussion<br>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Flash Poll - Relocate the Nats in
<br>
2010?<br><br>
<br><br>
Tony:<br><br>
I am, (and I'm sure the rest of us agree on this) grateful that
<br>
you're a<br>
voice on the council. I also recognize that demographics change
in <br>
this<br>
hobby. I'm old enough to remember, (though faintly!<G>) when
hand- launch<br>
gliders were a very big part of the sport, as an example of changed
<br>
demos.<br>
And, at one time, U-Control speed was a big name.<br><br>
But if those individuals on the council want to eliminate the Nats,
<br>
it seems<br>
to me that they are eliminating a large incentive for even <br>
belonging to the<br>
AMA. (Leaving aside the insurance, for these purposes, which
can <br>
be handled<br>
by other means.)<br><br>
Surely, it's only gentlemanly to accomodate others when
possible. <br>
But, it<br>
seems to me that the others owe it to the rest of us to at least
<br>
check and<br>
see what's going on in Muncie before they stake their vacation on
<br>
sport<br>
flying a day or so there. (As an example.) For example; I
wouldn't<br>
consider riding my Triumph(s) into Sturgis during August; I make it
<br>
during<br>
October. (Weather's friendlier, anyway!)<br><br>
But, it's news to me that AMA people want to eliminate the <br>
Nationals; I'll<br>
bet it's news to a lot of the folks in this discussion. And,
not <br>
to beat a<br>
dead horse, but seems to me that AMA has abrogated a lot of their<br>
responsibility for the Nats once they handed them over to the <br>
various SIGS.<br>
(No complaint from me on this one.) Still and all, my feeling is
<br>
that one of<br>
the main reasons AMA exists, as has been mentioned, is <br>
competition. In<br>
fact, that was one of the reasons for their founding, in 1936.
Or <br>
so I see<br>
it.<br><br>
Bill Glaze<br><br>
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<x-tab> </x-tab>To:
jpavlick@idseng.com ; 'General pattern discussion'<br>
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<x-tab> </x-tab>Sent:
Friday, July 31, 2009 1:29 PM<br><br>
<x-tab> </x-tab>Subject:
Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Flash Poll - Relocate the Nats in<br>
2010?<br><br>
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<x-tab> </x-tab>John:<br>
<x-tab> </x-tab>It is a
tough crowd!! LOL.<br><br>
<x-tab> </x-tab><br><br>
<x-tab> </x-tab>Bill:<br>
<x-tab> </x-tab>I am a big
Competition fan and will support competition to the end.<br>
However, I am just about the only one left on the council that does
<br>
support<br>
it. Many want the NATS eliminated completely.<br><br>
<x-tab> </x-tab><br><br>
<x-tab> </x-tab>The NATS
has 1st priority on field use. If a sport pilot drives up<br>
and wants to fly, they have to wait until competition is over.
The <br>
NATS<br>
does not cave to sport pilots, but we should accommodate them when
<br>
we can.<br><br>
<x-tab> </x-tab><br><br>
<x-tab> </x-tab>Tony
Stillman, President<br><br>
<x-tab> </x-tab>Radio
South, Inc.<br><br>
<x-tab> </x-tab>139 Altama
Connector, Box 322<br><br>
<x-tab> </x-tab>Brunswick,
GA 31525<br><br>
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1-800-962-7802<br><br>
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<x-tab> </x-tab>From:
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John <br>
Pavlick<br>
<x-tab> </x-tab>Sent:
Friday, July 31, 2009 12:58 PM<br>
<x-tab> </x-tab>To:
General pattern discussion<br>
<x-tab> </x-tab>Subject:
Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Flash Poll - Relocate the Nats in<br>
2010?<br><br>
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Tony,<br><br>
And you thought I was acting mean. Tough crowd here... LOL<br><br>
<br><br>
John Pavlick<br><br>
--- On Fri, 7/31/09, Bill Glaze <billglaze@bellsouth.net>
wrote:<br><br>
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<x-tab> </x-tab>From: Bill
Glaze <billglaze@bellsouth.net><br>
<x-tab> </x-tab>Subject:
Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Flash Poll - Relocate the Nats in<br>
2010?<br>
<x-tab> </x-tab>To:
"General pattern discussion"
<nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><br>
<x-tab> </x-tab>Date:
Friday, July 31, 2009, 12:48 PM<br><br>
<x-tab> </x-tab>Ed: I
agree. If the AMA is going to cave to those locals who are<br>
inconvenienced by their not having access during Nats,, perhaps the
<br>
AMA<br>
should limit their membership to only include those locals, and
<br>
eliminate<br>
all other "outside" activities.. I'm sure that their
numbers could <br>
support<br>
the entire AMA and all the peripherals. Yeah, Right. (Upkeep
on <br>
the site,<br>
etc. as well as running the general association.)<br><br>
<x-tab> </x-tab>Inasmuch
as my only inconvenience is a good-sized hotel bill, and<br>
about 1600 miles (total) on my vehicle, I guess elimination of this<br>
"inconvenience" (the Nats) would be an asset. And,
because of <br>
where I am, I<br>
readily recognize my "inconvenience" is a lot less than
some <br>
others, who are<br>
coming from further.<br><br>
<x-tab> </x-tab>Bill
Glaze<br><br>
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pattern discussion'<br>
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</x-tab>Sent: Friday,
July 31, 2009 8:47 AM<br><br>
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Nats in 2010?<br><br>
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</x-tab><br><br>
<x-tab> </x-tab><x-tab>
</x-tab>I wish to
register a complaint. What form do I sign? :-)<br>
The AMA site is inconveniently located for my normal weekend <br>
practice. Why<br>
are my dues supporting a tiny fraction of AMA membership to have
<br>
access to a<br>
flying site that I can't drive to easily? In other words, who
<br>
cares about<br>
the complaints of the locals. It's OUR site and the vocal
minority <br>
have<br>
exclusive access for the rest of the year. Tough noogies.<br><br>
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<x-tab> </x-tab>From:
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Joe <br>
Lachowski<br>
<x-tab> </x-tab>Sent:
Friday, July 31, 2009 8:36 AM<br>
<x-tab> </x-tab>To: NSRCA
Discussion List<br>
<x-tab> </x-tab>Subject:
Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Flash Poll - Relocate the Nats in<br>
2010?<br><br>
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It really isn't just about cutting costs either. It is also about
<br>
other AMA<br>
membership complaining about the site not being available for their
<br>
use. You<br>
would not believe the number of complaints AMA has had about the
<br>
AMA site<br>
being tied up. That is why the overall Nats at the site has been
<br>
shortened<br>
in length.<br><br>
If you are on 72, better plan on moving over to SS in the future.
<br>
I've heard<br>
rumours that the AMA has been considering making the AMA site SS
<br>
only in the<br>
future.<br><br>
<br>
________________________________<br><br>
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2009 20:57:16 -0700<br>
From: homeremodeling2003@yahoo.com<br>
To: nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org<br>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Flash Poll - Relocate the Nats in
<br>
2010?<br><br>
This is really funny. They want to bring the nats to 2 weeks to cut
<br>
costs. I<br>
am sure they make money the way it is. Take this for what it is,
<br>
heresay,<br>
but I heard that the members of the club were complaining that
the <br>
nats<br>
takes too much of their time away from their field for them to fly.
<br>
Wasn't<br>
the field built for a localized nats site? And I'm pretty sure we
<br>
all paid<br>
for it. The ama will lose out if they go to a 2 weeks nats IMO.
<br>
Wait till<br>
they see entry's decline.<br><br>
Chris<br><br>
<br><br>
<br><br>
<br><br>
<br><br>
--- On Thu, 7/30/09, Tony <tony@radiosouthrc.com> wrote:<br><br>
<br>
From: Tony <tony@radiosouthrc.com><br>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Flash Poll - Relocate the Nats in
<br>
2010?<br>
To: "'General pattern discussion'"
<nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><br>
Date: Thursday, July 30, 2009, 12:55 PM<br><br>
That is a possibility also. AMA is thinking about returning
the <br>
NATS to a 2<br>
week all-events NATS like used to be done. If all events are
<br>
together, HQ<br>
can put all costs into one effort. If they are all split up,
Each <br>
group<br>
would have more costs to deal with due to the fact that HQ can't
<br>
send a<br>
group of people to every site.<br><br>
<br><br>
Tony Stillman, President<br><br>
Radio South, Inc.<br><br>
139 Altama Connector, Box 322<br><br>
Brunswick, GA 31525<br><br>
1-800-962-7802<br><br>
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Tim <br>
Taylor<br>
Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2009 3:39 PM<br>
To: General pattern discussion<br>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Flash Poll - Relocate the Nats in
<br>
2010?<br><br>
<br><br>
It was done, It was called NPAC<br><br>
<br><br>
Tim<br><br>
--- On Thu, 7/30/09, Bill's Email <wemodels@cox.net>
wrote:<br><br>
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<x-tab> </x-tab>From:
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<x-tab> </x-tab>Subject:
Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Flash Poll - Relocate the Nats in<br>
2010?<br>
<x-tab> </x-tab>To: "
General pattern discussion "<br>
<nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><br>
<x-tab> </x-tab>Date:
Thursday, July 30, 2009, 2:06 PM<br><br>
Why not allow the SIGS to do their own thing? IMAC and NSRCA do not
<br>
need to<br>
share a site. The LSF can find a site for the soaring NATS. Pylon
<br>
knows what<br>
venues work for them and so on. FF can do their own thing as well.
<br>
Why tie<br>
soaring and FF together and so on??<br><br>
<br>
Tony wrote:<br><br>
Matt:<br>
Yes, it is just difficult to tell if it is actually feasible.
The <br>
problem<br>
is that it requires a large site for Pattern/Pylon/IMAC and will
<br>
require<br>
another large site for Soaring/Outdoor FF. It may be very
<br>
difficult to<br>
actually find places that can handle this group.<br><br>
<br><br>
<br><br>
Tony Stillman, President<br><br>
Radio South, Inc.<br><br>
139 Altama Connector, Box 322<br><br>
Brunswick, GA 31525<br><br>
1-800-962-7802<br><br>
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http://mywebpages.comcast.net/~chuenkan/<br>
</a> (865) 435-1476 v (865) 604-0541
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