[NSRCA-discussion] Masters Avalanche question

Jon Lowe jonlowe at aol.com
Mon Apr 6 17:59:15 AKDT 2009


Hey Chuck, you can't say ANYTHING anymore without offending someone.  
One radio commentator calls us the "United States of the Offended".

BTW, I cheat as much as possible when I fly.  I also seem to get caught 
a lot, especially when my "cheat" makes things worse. After all, wrong 
rudder is the most powerful force in the universe, isn't it?!


Jon Lowe


-----Original Message-----
From: Chuck Hochhalter <cahochhalter at yahoo.com>
To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 8:05 pm
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Masters Avalanche question









I apologize if anyone took offense to my cheating comment.   My entire
flight is a cheat to avoid zeros.  It was meant to be humorous.  Every
correction made is a "cheat" we hope is not noticed so we receive the
highest score possible. 
 

Chuck Hochhalter 
 

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From: "billglaze" <billglaze at bellsouth.net> 

Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 4:55 PM 

To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> 

Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Masters Avalanche question 
 

> AHA!  So, that was you!!  Bill Glaze 

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dave Burton" <burtona at atmc.net
> To: <patternrules at yahoo.com>; "'General pattern discussion'"
> <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> Sent: Monday, April 06, 20
09 5:09 PM 

> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Masters Avalanche question 

> 

> 

>> At a contest last week end I failed to do a half roll at the bottom 
of
>> the 

>> triangle. I realized what I had done after pulling to the up line 
and 

>> skillfully did a full roll to get back in inverted position for the
>> figure 

>> 9. Both judges zeroed the triangle for missing the first half roll 
but 

>> neither caught the full roll to get back inverted until I told them 
after 

>> the flight. 

>> Dave Burton 

>> 

>> -----Original Message----- 

>> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org 

>> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of 
Steven 

>> Maxwell 

>> Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 4:23 PM 

>> To: General pattern discussion 

>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Masters Avalanche question 

>> 

>> 

>> Actually I did a wrong maneuver at a contest the district 
championships I 

>> only seen my scores after they had been put in the computer I told 
the CD 

>> that it should have been a zero and the next 2 maneuver also should 
have 

>> been zero, till I corrected my position. 

>> Steve Maxwell 

>> 

>> 

>> --- On Mon, 4/6/09, Dennis Cone <patternpilot at verizon.net> wrote:C2

>> 

>>> From: Dennis Cone <patternpilot at verizon.net
>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Masters Avalanche question 

>>> To: "'General pattern discussion'" 
<nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> 

>>> Date: Monday, April 6, 2009, 3:27 PM 

>>> I once was at a contest flying Masters in which I found 

>>> myself right side up 

>>> when I should have been inverted. We were flying into the 

>>> sun so I pulled 

>>> vertical right into the suns path, did the required 

>>> maneuver and when I 

>>> reached the sun I rolled and pushed out of the maneuver. I 

>>> was then in the 

>>> right position for the next maneuver. A round later I was 

>>> calling for Frank 

>>> Capone and he did the same thing. So I whispered to him to 

>>> pull into the sun 

>>> and roll right when he could not see it. Neither one of us 

>>> got caught. Was 

>>> it cheating? Perhaps, but I like to call it creative 

>>> flying. It was not 

>>> planned, so really not cheating. I'm sure everyone has 

>>> done a maneuver 

>>> incorrectly and was not caught by the judges. Did you tell 

>>> them to zero it? 

>>> Probably not. 

>>> 

>>> Dennis 

>>> 

>>> -----Original Message----- 

>>> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at li
sts.nsrca.org 

>>> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf 

>>> Of Ron Van Putte 

>>> Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 6:13 AM 

>>> To: General pattern discussion 

>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Masters Avalanche question 

>>> 

>>> It's only cheating if you get caught. 

>>> 

>>> Ron 

>>> 

>>> On Apr 5, 2009, at 9:54 PM, Chuck Hochhalter wrote: 

>>> 

>>> > Ron, that is cheating, you should immediately point 

>>> out to the 

>>> > judges that you lead the snap in order to preserve the 

>>> geometry of 

>>> > the maneuver. 

>>>
>>> > -------------------------------------------------- 

>>> > From: "Ronald Van Putte" 

>>> <vanputte at cox.net
>>> > Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 7:34 PM 

>>> > To: "General pattern discussion" 

>>> <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>>> > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Masters Avalanche 

>>> question 

>>>
>>> >> What you can try is easing some yaw in by putting 

>>> in a bit of 

>>> >> left  rudder just before entering the snap (the 

>>> judges probably 

>>> >> won't even  notice). 

>>> >> 

>>> >> Ron 

>>> >> 

>>> >> On Apr 5, 2009, at 6:13 PM, Keith Black wrote: 

>>> >> 


>>> >>> I'm having trouble with the Masters 

>>> Avalanche and wanted to see 

>>> >>> if anyone had any suggestions or was 

>>> experiencing the same problem. 

>>> >>> 

>>> >>> 

>>> >>> 

>>> >>> Entering the maneuver left to right then 

>>> pushing the half loop 

>>> >>> to  the snap, If I attempt a positive snap to 

>>> the right (which 

>>> >>> rotates  the plane away from the flight line) 

>>> the nose comes 

>>> >>> around nicely  to complete the arch of the 

>>> loop, but ends 

>>> >>> pointing about 20  degrees away from the 

>>> flight line. If I stay 

>>> >>> on the rudder after  the snap I can 

>>> immediately put the plane 

>>> >>> back in line, but it's  quite ugly and 

>>> obvious rather than 

>>> >>> smoothly exiting the snap  parallel to the 

>>> flight line. I've 

>>> >>> tried using less rudder, but have  not been 

>>> able to get that to 

>>> >>> work any better. 

>>> >>> 

>>> >>> 

>>> >>> 

>>> >>> I've also tried an outside snap but to me 

>>> this looks terrible 

>>> >>> and  the nose is elevated on exit. 

>>> >>> 

>>> >>> 

>>> >>> 

>>> >>> The plane is a Beryll. 
=0
A
>>> >>> 

>>> >>> 

>>> >>> 

>>> >>> Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. 

>>> >>> 

>>> >>> 

>>> >>> 

>>> >>> Thanks, 

>>> >>> 

>>> >>> Keith Black 

>>> >>> 

>>> >>> 

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