[NSRCA-discussion] Masters Avalanche question

Mon Apr 6 17:05:21 AKDT 2009

I apologize if anyone took offense to my cheating comment.   My entire 
flight is a cheat to avoid zeros.  It was meant to be humorous.  Every 
correction made is a "cheat" we hope is not noticed so we receive the 
highest score possible.

Chuck Hochhalter

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From: "billglaze" <billglaze at bellsouth.net>
Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 4:55 PM
To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Masters Avalanche question

> AHA!  So, that was you!!  Bill Glaze
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Dave Burton" <burtona at atmc.net>
> To: <patternrules at yahoo.com>; "'General pattern discussion'" 
> <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 5:09 PM
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Masters Avalanche question
>
>
>> At a contest last week end I failed to do a half roll at the bottom of 
>> the
>> triangle. I realized what I had done after pulling to the up line and
>> skillfully did a full roll to get back in inverted position for the 
>> figure
>> 9. Both judges zeroed the triangle for missing the first half roll but
>> neither caught the full roll to get back inverted until I told them after
>> the flight.
>> Dave Burton
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
>> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Steven
>> Maxwell
>> Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 4:23 PM
>> To: General pattern discussion
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Masters Avalanche question
>>
>>
>> Actually I did a wrong maneuver at a contest the district championships I
>> only seen my scores after they had been put in the computer I told the CD
>> that it should have been a zero and the next 2 maneuver also should have
>> been zero, till I corrected my position.
>> Steve Maxwell
>>
>>
>> --- On Mon, 4/6/09, Dennis Cone <patternpilot at verizon.net> wrote:
>>
>>> From: Dennis Cone <patternpilot at verizon.net>
>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Masters Avalanche question
>>> To: "'General pattern discussion'" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>>> Date: Monday, April 6, 2009, 3:27 PM
>>> I once was at a contest flying Masters in which I found
>>> myself right side up
>>> when I should have been inverted. We were flying into the
>>> sun so I pulled
>>> vertical right into the suns path, did the required
>>> maneuver and when I
>>> reached the sun I rolled and pushed out of the maneuver. I
>>> was then in the
>>> right position for the next maneuver. A round later I was
>>> calling for Frank
>>> Capone and he did the same thing. So I whispered to him to
>>> pull into the sun
>>> and roll right when he could not see it. Neither one of us
>>> got caught. Was
>>> it cheating? Perhaps, but I like to call it creative
>>> flying. It was not
>>> planned, so really not cheating. I'm sure everyone has
>>> done a maneuver
>>> incorrectly and was not caught by the judges. Did you tell
>>> them to zero it?
>>> Probably not.
>>>
>>> Dennis
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
>>> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf
>>> Of Ron Van Putte
>>> Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 6:13 AM
>>> To: General pattern discussion
>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Masters Avalanche question
>>>
>>> It's only cheating if you get caught.
>>>
>>> Ron
>>>
>>> On Apr 5, 2009, at 9:54 PM, Chuck Hochhalter wrote:
>>>
>>> > Ron, that is cheating, you should immediately point
>>> out to the
>>> > judges that you lead the snap in order to preserve the
>>> geometry of
>>> > the maneuver.
>>> >
>>> > --------------------------------------------------
>>> > From: "Ronald Van Putte"
>>> <vanputte at cox.net>
>>> > Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 7:34 PM
>>> > To: "General pattern discussion"
>>> <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>>> > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Masters Avalanche
>>> question
>>> >
>>> >> What you can try is easing some yaw in by putting
>>> in a bit of
>>> >> left  rudder just before entering the snap (the
>>> judges probably
>>> >> won't even  notice).
>>> >>
>>> >> Ron
>>> >>
>>> >> On Apr 5, 2009, at 6:13 PM, Keith Black wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >>> I'm having trouble with the Masters
>>> Avalanche and wanted to see
>>> >>> if anyone had any suggestions or was
>>> experiencing the same problem.
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Entering the maneuver left to right then
>>> pushing the half loop
>>> >>> to  the snap, If I attempt a positive snap to
>>> the right (which
>>> >>> rotates  the plane away from the flight line)
>>> the nose comes
>>> >>> around nicely  to complete the arch of the
>>> loop, but ends
>>> >>> pointing about 20  degrees away from the
>>> flight line. If I stay
>>> >>> on the rudder after  the snap I can
>>> immediately put the plane
>>> >>> back in line, but it's  quite ugly and
>>> obvious rather than
>>> >>> smoothly exiting the snap  parallel to the
>>> flight line. I've
>>> >>> tried using less rudder, but have  not been
>>> able to get that to
>>> >>> work any better.
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> I've also tried an outside snap but to me
>>> this looks terrible
>>> >>> and  the nose is elevated on exit.
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> The plane is a Beryll.
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Thanks,
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Keith Black
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
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