[NSRCA-discussion] Masters Avalanche question

billglaze billglaze at bellsouth.net
Mon Apr 6 13:55:24 AKDT 2009


AHA!  So, that was you!!  Bill Glaze
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dave Burton" <burtona at atmc.net>
To: <patternrules at yahoo.com>; "'General pattern discussion'" 
<nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 5:09 PM
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Masters Avalanche question


> At a contest last week end I failed to do a half roll at the bottom of the
> triangle. I realized what I had done after pulling to the up line and
> skillfully did a full roll to get back in inverted position for the figure
> 9. Both judges zeroed the triangle for missing the first half roll but
> neither caught the full roll to get back inverted until I told them after
> the flight.
> Dave Burton
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Steven
> Maxwell
> Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 4:23 PM
> To: General pattern discussion
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Masters Avalanche question
>
>
> Actually I did a wrong maneuver at a contest the district championships I
> only seen my scores after they had been put in the computer I told the CD
> that it should have been a zero and the next 2 maneuver also should have
> been zero, till I corrected my position.
> Steve Maxwell
>
>
> --- On Mon, 4/6/09, Dennis Cone <patternpilot at verizon.net> wrote:
>
>> From: Dennis Cone <patternpilot at verizon.net>
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Masters Avalanche question
>> To: "'General pattern discussion'" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>> Date: Monday, April 6, 2009, 3:27 PM
>> I once was at a contest flying Masters in which I found
>> myself right side up
>> when I should have been inverted. We were flying into the
>> sun so I pulled
>> vertical right into the suns path, did the required
>> maneuver and when I
>> reached the sun I rolled and pushed out of the maneuver. I
>> was then in the
>> right position for the next maneuver. A round later I was
>> calling for Frank
>> Capone and he did the same thing. So I whispered to him to
>> pull into the sun
>> and roll right when he could not see it. Neither one of us
>> got caught. Was
>> it cheating? Perhaps, but I like to call it creative
>> flying. It was not
>> planned, so really not cheating. I'm sure everyone has
>> done a maneuver
>> incorrectly and was not caught by the judges. Did you tell
>> them to zero it?
>> Probably not.
>>
>> Dennis
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
>> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf
>> Of Ron Van Putte
>> Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 6:13 AM
>> To: General pattern discussion
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Masters Avalanche question
>>
>> It's only cheating if you get caught.
>>
>> Ron
>>
>> On Apr 5, 2009, at 9:54 PM, Chuck Hochhalter wrote:
>>
>> > Ron, that is cheating, you should immediately point
>> out to the
>> > judges that you lead the snap in order to preserve the
>> geometry of
>> > the maneuver.
>> >
>> > --------------------------------------------------
>> > From: "Ronald Van Putte"
>> <vanputte at cox.net>
>> > Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 7:34 PM
>> > To: "General pattern discussion"
>> <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>> > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Masters Avalanche
>> question
>> >
>> >> What you can try is easing some yaw in by putting
>> in a bit of
>> >> left  rudder just before entering the snap (the
>> judges probably
>> >> won't even  notice).
>> >>
>> >> Ron
>> >>
>> >> On Apr 5, 2009, at 6:13 PM, Keith Black wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> I'm having trouble with the Masters
>> Avalanche and wanted to see
>> >>> if anyone had any suggestions or was
>> experiencing the same problem.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Entering the maneuver left to right then
>> pushing the half loop
>> >>> to  the snap, If I attempt a positive snap to
>> the right (which
>> >>> rotates  the plane away from the flight line)
>> the nose comes
>> >>> around nicely  to complete the arch of the
>> loop, but ends
>> >>> pointing about 20  degrees away from the
>> flight line. If I stay
>> >>> on the rudder after  the snap I can
>> immediately put the plane
>> >>> back in line, but it's  quite ugly and
>> obvious rather than
>> >>> smoothly exiting the snap  parallel to the
>> flight line. I've
>> >>> tried using less rudder, but have  not been
>> able to get that to
>> >>> work any better.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> I've also tried an outside snap but to me
>> this looks terrible
>> >>> and  the nose is elevated on exit.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> The plane is a Beryll.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Thanks,
>> >>>
>> >>> Keith Black
>> >>>
>> >>>
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