[NSRCA-discussion] Masters Avalanche question

[Dave Burton]

At a contest last week end I failed to do a half roll at the bottom of the
triangle. I realized what I had done after pulling to the up line and
skillfully did a full roll to get back in inverted position for the figure
9. Both judges zeroed the triangle for missing the first half roll but
neither caught the full roll to get back inverted until I told them after
the flight. 
Dave Burton

-----Original Message-----
From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Steven
Maxwell
Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 4:23 PM
To: General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Masters Avalanche question


 Actually I did a wrong maneuver at a contest the district championships I
only seen my scores after they had been put in the computer I told the CD
that it should have been a zero and the next 2 maneuver also should have
been zero, till I corrected my position.
 Steve Maxwell


--- On Mon, 4/6/09, Dennis Cone <patternpilot at verizon.net> wrote:

> From: Dennis Cone <patternpilot at verizon.net>
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Masters Avalanche question
> To: "'General pattern discussion'" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> Date: Monday, April 6, 2009, 3:27 PM
> I once was at a contest flying Masters in which I found
> myself right side up
> when I should have been inverted. We were flying into the
> sun so I pulled
> vertical right into the suns path, did the required
> maneuver and when I
> reached the sun I rolled and pushed out of the maneuver. I
> was then in the
> right position for the next maneuver. A round later I was
> calling for Frank
> Capone and he did the same thing. So I whispered to him to
> pull into the sun
> and roll right when he could not see it. Neither one of us
> got caught. Was
> it cheating? Perhaps, but I like to call it creative
> flying. It was not
> planned, so really not cheating. I'm sure everyone has
> done a maneuver
> incorrectly and was not caught by the judges. Did you tell
> them to zero it?
> Probably not. 
> 
> Dennis 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf
> Of Ron Van Putte
> Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 6:13 AM
> To: General pattern discussion
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Masters Avalanche question
> 
> It's only cheating if you get caught.
> 
> Ron
> 
> On Apr 5, 2009, at 9:54 PM, Chuck Hochhalter wrote:
> 
> > Ron, that is cheating, you should immediately point
> out to the  
> > judges that you lead the snap in order to preserve the
> geometry of  
> > the maneuver.
> >
> > --------------------------------------------------
> > From: "Ronald Van Putte"
> <vanputte at cox.net>
> > Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 7:34 PM
> > To: "General pattern discussion"
> <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Masters Avalanche
> question
> >
> >> What you can try is easing some yaw in by putting
> in a bit of  
> >> left  rudder just before entering the snap (the
> judges probably  
> >> won't even  notice).
> >>
> >> Ron
> >>
> >> On Apr 5, 2009, at 6:13 PM, Keith Black wrote:
> >>
> >>> I'm having trouble with the Masters
> Avalanche and wanted to see  
> >>> if anyone had any suggestions or was
> experiencing the same problem.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Entering the maneuver left to right then
> pushing the half loop  
> >>> to  the snap, If I attempt a positive snap to
> the right (which  
> >>> rotates  the plane away from the flight line)
> the nose comes  
> >>> around nicely  to complete the arch of the
> loop, but ends  
> >>> pointing about 20  degrees away from the
> flight line. If I stay  
> >>> on the rudder after  the snap I can
> immediately put the plane  
> >>> back in line, but it's  quite ugly and
> obvious rather than  
> >>> smoothly exiting the snap  parallel to the
> flight line. I've  
> >>> tried using less rudder, but have  not been
> able to get that to  
> >>> work any better.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> I've also tried an outside snap but to me
> this looks terrible  
> >>> and  the nose is elevated on exit.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> The plane is a Beryll.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Thanks,
> >>>
> >>> Keith Black
> >>>
> >>>
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