[NSRCA-discussion] FAI flight time rule

[Troy Newman]

The penalty for going over time is all scored figures after time has
elapsed get a score of zero. The flight is not a zero...Just those
figures not completed.
 
SO once you exit the box all figures are complete....If you are still
not on the ground there would be no penalty per the rules even if 8mins
has expired
 
Only if you were not "out of the box" yet when the time expired you
would get zeros on all figures not completed.
 
Which by the way in F3A you are not required to call entering or leaving
the box. So if you complete the last figure and have the 15meter of
straight flight wings level...you are done....After than you can take as
much time as you like to land and that would even include go
arounds...the rule doesn't say you can't and there is no penalty for it.
The landing score is gone so you didn't violate the landing sequence.
Before a go around was a zero score because it didn't follow the landing
sequence. There is no more landing sequence. Even applying the AMA rule
for extra passes because the FAI book is silent you could not zero any
of the figures, as the AMA rules state the next maneuver gets a zero.
Since all maneuvers are already scored there is nothing to zero and you
can't go backwards into the sequence and start taking zeros on figures
completed properly under the rules.
 
 
Troy Newman

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[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Dave
Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2008 8:52 PM
To: 'General pattern discussion'
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] FAI flight time rule



Jeff,

 

10 minutes for schedules with 23 maneuvers is not much different than 8
minutes for schedules with 19 maneuvers (including takeoff and landing).
With the older P schedule, it was not difficult to exceed 10 minutes if
the takeoff and landing sequences were very large and slow (1 minute for
takeoff seq, 45 sec to land - pretty easy to save 30 seconds on these
alone), and the sequence was big and relaxed.  Now, the Prelim sequences
are 19 maneuvers (as are the finals sequences) - which means about 90
seconds less airtime - so dropping the clock from 10 to 8 minutes is not
a biggy.

 

My understanding is that the Prelim sequences were shorted to shorten
the duration of the Prelims at the Worlds - 2 minutes x 4 rounds x 100
pilots makes a huge difference.

 

Regards,

 

Dave Lockhart

DaveL322 at comcast.net

 

 

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[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Hill
Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2008 11:33 PM
To: NSRCA Mailing List
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] FAI flight time rule

 

While reading up on the new FAI rules I came upon the following
paragraphs regarding flight time:

 

from Section 5.1.11

If there is a frequency conflict, the competitor must be allowed a
maximum of one 

minute for a radio check before the start of the 3 minute starting time.
The timer will audibly notify 

the competitor when the minute is finished and immediately start timing
the 3-minutes starting time. 

 

The starting time ceases when the model aircraft commences its take-off
roll. The timing device is re-started when 

the model aircraft commences its take-off roll, and time will stop when
the model aircraft first 

touches the runway after completion of the flight. The total flight time
allowed is 8 minutes. 

 

from Section 5.1.12

 The competitor has eight minutes to complete the flight; timing to
start when the flight line 

official gives the signal to the competitor to start his model aircraft
and ending when the model 

aircraft first touches the runway after completing the flight. 

 

5.1.11 seems to say that the competitor gets 8 minutes from the time the
TO roll starts. 5.1.12 says the competitor gets 8 minutes from the time
s/he is told to start the model aircraft. 

 

If it is 8 minutes total that seems short to me because someone could
spend 3 minutes of the time getting the engine started and only have 5
for the flight. I know sequences are shorter now, but, we've had pilots
exceed 10 minutes at the Nats so I would think 2 fewer minutes would
make even the shortest sequences tough to do. 

 

Any rules gurus out there want to comment? Perhaps electric fliers are
getting a break after losing out on the batteries-as-fuel issue. 

 

Jeff Hill

 

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