[NSRCA-discussion] Let us bicker about who can use the list
Chad Northeast
chad at f3acanada.org
Mon May 12 21:00:35 AKDT 2008
I will try and give this a perspective from someone in Canada, who in
the past was not and NSRCA member, but is today (even though I am slow
at renewing some years!). Maybe this can give some reasons to canucks
reading the list why its important to join.
In the not too distant past, I flew local contests only, had never
participated in any event in the US, the Canadian sequences were our own
and different from the the US, we had no voice in the NSRCA, or the
K-Factor (that I am aware of anyway). It was difficult at best to
justify spending $40 US (which at the time worked out to $60 CND) for
essentially what I felt was a magazine. So with that in mind you can
see why it was difficult to make the decision to join.
So we come to today, I have flown in a number of US Nats and benefited
tremendously from that exposure, we now have a Canadian column in the
K-factor, we use in whole and in part sequences created by the NSRCA for
our own schedules. I think these opportunities have given Canadians an
opportunity to get exposure that we otherwise would not have, this is
crucial to growing and developing pattern in our country.
I think it would be a shame if the NSRCA got frustrated and locked out
foreigners from the US Nats, the K-Factor, the NSRCA email list etc.
All of us directly and indirectly benefit from this organization and we
should support if our situations allow.
So I encourage all the Canadians reading this list who are not members
to support the NSRCA.
Chad
Dave wrote:
>
> I personally know Jim, and have for a number of years. I point this
> out, because it may mean I have a bias.
>
>
>
> Couple questions I have –
>
> - Is it possible Jim was simply asking a question, and is legitimately
> puzzled as to why someone why someone who is active on and benefiting
> from the list would not support the organization that sponsors the list?
>
> - Does Jim have a history of positive contributions to the
> organization and this list?
>
>
>
> I’d like to think that most non-NSRCA members that become involved on
> this list for any length of time would eventually join NSRCA (as some
> have done), but it is an open list (and I like it that way), so there
> is no requirement to do so.
>
>
>
> I read Jim’s query as short, direct, and free of sugar coating. I
> didn’t find it offensive, but I can see how it could be interpreted
> that way. Knowing Jim, I sincerely think he is puzzled as to why
> someone would not support a group that is providing benefit. For
> those that don’t know Jim, and care to know what kind of person he is,
> I’ve never seen him without a smile on his face, I’ve never seen him
> fail to help people, and he is definitely passionate about pattern.
> For those that think Jim’s post was offensive, perhaps maybe Jim
> deserves a little benefit of doubt – just my opinion.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
> Dave Lockhart
>
>
>
>
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> *From:* nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] *On Behalf Of *Pete
> Cosky
> *Sent:* Monday, May 12, 2008 11:24 PM
> *To:* General pattern discussion
> *Subject:* Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Let us bicker about who can use the list
>
>
>
> Jeremy,
>
>
>
> Some of us just have off days and other like to debate ( I personally
> fall into both categories ) but I think you will find that pattern
> people are among the most helpful. That has been my experience at any
> rate with VERY FEW exceptions.
>
>
>
> If you need any help with your vacuum setup don't hesitate to contact
> me directly. I have built a few of them in the past and have not used
> weights on anything in the last 5 years.
>
>
>
> Pete
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> *From:* JEREMY CHINN <mailto:lagrue at hotmail.com>
>
> *To:* General pattern discussion
> <mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>
> *Sent:* Monday, May 12, 2008 11:12 PM
>
> *Subject:* Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Let us bicker about who can use
> the list
>
>
>
> Jim et al, as a guy who is terribly interested in flying pattern
> this season and becoming a member of the NSRCA, your idea and
> attitude initially turns me off to the organization.
>
> However, I'll temper that idea or feeling with the fact that every
> good organization will have people who feel the way or act as you
> have. IE, my hope and belief is that not everyone thinks as you do.
>
> I've managed to be part of this hobby for over 25 years and always
> subscribed to the idea that sharing knowledge gets me more in
> return than I could ever offer and often helps me make great new
> friends and as an extension of that thought, an organization can
> benefit in the same way - new members, new enthusiasm are gotten
> by free sharing of information and ideas.
>
> FWIW, one other thought to consider- there are always many more
> listening/lurking than speaking/typing. So how many people might
> you have run off now? Many won't tell you about it, they'll just go.
>
> Time to get back to my shop and finish tuning up my new vacuum
> bagging system so I can bag my new pattern plane wings next week.
>
> Sincerely, a non-NSRCA member who subscribes to and learns from
> this list.
>
> Jeremy Chinn
>
>
>
>
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>
> From: pcosky at comcast.net
> To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 22:37:24 -0400
> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Let us bicker about who can use the list
>
> Then make the list members only if you would rather close the
> gates instead of build bridges. If one wanted to make sure only
> members were able to glean any knowledge from the NSRCA I guess we
> shouldn't hand out KFs to people who are not members nor even have
> a booth at a show like Toledo.
>
>
>
> I'm with Dowayne and Ken.
>
>
>
> FYI - I subscribed to the list before I became a member and it was
> the general helpfulness of the general populace on this list that
> made me decide to join. After all you do not have to be an NSRCA
> member to fly in a pattern meet.
>
>
>
> Can we now get back to discussing the hobby we all enjoy instead
> of making this an US and THEM debate?
>
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> *From:* Steven Maxwell <mailto:patternrules at yahoo.com>
>
> *To:* General pattern discussion
> <mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>
> *Sent:* Monday, May 12, 2008 9:50 PM
>
> *Subject:* Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Starters for YS in Canada
>
>
>
> I have to disagree I have seen this list been abrused many
> times by people that have never been NASRCA members. I tyhink
> it's time someone does watch the list. My hats off to Jim.
>
> */DoWayne Gould <iflyrc24 at gmail.com
> <mailto:iflyrc24 at gmail.com>>/* wrote:
>
> I have to agree Ken. I don’t understand the strong arm
> tactics. Is this the way to get new members to join the NSRCA?
> I don’t think a public brow beating is good for anyone. If
> it keeps up you can count me out next year at renewal time. I
> don’t agree with it, I don’t care to have it done to me
> and I don’t like seeing anyone else getting it!
>
> Dowayne
>
>
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> *From:* nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] *On Behalf
> Of *Ken Thompson
> *Sent:* Monday, May 12, 2008 7:02 PM
> *To:* jaqfly at prodigy.net; General pattern discussion
> *Subject:* Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Starters for YS in Canada
>
>
>
> That's kinda' harsh isn't it Jim?
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> *From:* Jim Quinn <mailto:jaqfly at prodigy.net>
>
> *To:* cchariandy at yahoo.ca <mailto:cchariandy at yahoo.ca> ;
> General pattern discussion
> <mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>
> *Sent:* Monday, May 12, 2008 11:25 AM
>
> *Subject:* Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Starters for YS in Canada
>
>
>
> Colin, Why do you keep coming to us (NSRCA) for help but
> refuse to join our membership? It makes no sense to me.
>
>
>
> Jim Quinn
>
> */colin chariandy <cchariandy at yahoo.ca
> <mailto:cchariandy at yahoo.ca>>/* wrote:
>
> Will the KAVAN in 12V gell cell work?
>
>
>
> Colin.
>
> --- On *Mon, 5/12/08, Mark Atwood
> /<atwoodm at paragon-inc.com
> <mailto:atwoodm at paragon-inc.com>>/* wrote:
>
> From: Mark Atwood <atwoodm at paragon-inc.com
> <mailto:atwoodm at paragon-inc.com>>
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Starters for YS in
> Canada
> To: cchariandy at yahoo.ca
> <mailto:cchariandy at yahoo.ca>, "General pattern
> discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> Received: Monday, May 12, 2008, 9:50 AM
>
> I’ve been using the Kavan for years. No
> problems. It’s currently starting my 1.60
> and 1.70DZ’s Can’t comment on the
> others, as to whether they are better or not, but
> the Kavan will work just fine.
>
> -Mark
>
>
> On 5/12/08 9:39 AM, "colin chariandy"
> <cchariandy at yahoo.ca> wrote:
>
> Hi all I tried to start my DZ with a regular,
> non-geared 12V Sullivan starter yesterday...no
> joy. I know guys are running geared staters from
> B&P and PAM, but I can't find starters like those
> in Canada. My options at the LHS are KAVAN and
> Sullivan Dynatron. The KAVAN is really
> compact...but can it turn over a 170? And the
> Dynatron....I guess I can use it in the weight
> room after flying. Can you advise which is more
> commonly used and functions better? Of course if
> there are other options the Canadians can chime
> in. Thanks much Colin.
>
>
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